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Obviously, important enough to talk about. No matter how you feel, people will still have their opinions.

Let's call the whole thing off...



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the_dengle said:

85% of the handheld market is a pretty big deal.

The PS2 accounted for about 75% of the console market during the sixth generation, and many of its sales came well after its competitors were discontinued and all of their successors launched.


True!

But some would say mobile and tablet gaming are now affecting the handheld gaming industry. And some even think they will replace it. I think the former is more likely but I think both can exist just like home consoles and gaming PCs. However, I'm not sure if mobile/tablet gaming will be as less influential as gaming PCs are to home consoles simply because the people who buy them are what Nintendo caters to. But this would be for a separate thread.

Currently Nintendo is the most important company in handheld console gaming due to sales and marketshare.



Mythmaker1 said:

Because I suspect it will be an issue, let me preface this before I begin in earnest. Yes, Nintendo is an excellent publisher. They make quite a lot of great games. They've done a lot to advance the industry over the years. I'm not attacking Nintendo fans or Nintendo itself with this post.

But seriously, can we admit that maybe they're not as important as some make them out to be?

Let me break things down a bit,  starting with three assertions I often see here and elsewhere.

1. Nintendo, as a company, is indispensable to the industry. This is not to say that they aren't important, or that they don't play an important role in the industry. But let's be practical here; 30+ years of gaming history isn't going to burst into flame if they were to go bankrupt, and the industry isn't going to collectively roll over and die because they aren't there. Again, they play an important role, but there are a lot of lean and hungry companies with the potential to fill the gap.

2. Nintendo is the only company that's being innovative. In terms of hardware, they definitely pushed touch and motion control to mainstream acceptance,  but they've also been stubbornly resistant to other trends in the industry that have drastically changed the hardware side of things. Some may dispute that these are positive changes, but it's hard to deny how transformative they've been. In terms of games, no. They will often push boundaries, but usually within very limited. Evolution, not revolution, and sometimes not even that. And some of their more innovative gameplay tweaks haven't always been very positive either.

3. Nintendo makes the best games, period. I can only imagine that the ones pushing this idea either have very narrow interests or very little exposure. Nintendo makes fun, highly polished games, but they aren't the only ones, and many of those other fun, highly polished games have the depth and maturity (actually maturity, not M-rated, etc..) that Nintendo games often lack. I'm not saying that Nintendo needs depth and maturity, there's nothing wrong with what they make, but the lack of these does not make their games any better either. And maybe, every once in a while, when the moon is full, and the stars are aligned, they put out a mediocre title, or even a flat-out bad game.

Am I saying the industry wouldn't be a darker, lesser place if Nintendo hadn't gotten into it? Probably not. Am I saying that the industry wouldn't be a darker, lesser place if Nintendo went bankrupt tomorrow? Probably not. But it distrubs me how many people seem to latch onto Nintendo and only Nintendo, and pretend the rest of the industry doesn't exist.

They aren't the company that all publishers should aspire to be. They aren't some bastion of quality and creativity not seen anywhere else. They're one company, among many, better than some, lesser than others, and people really need to stop putting them on a pedastal.


QFT

Id go a step further, if Ninty dissapread tommorow.  

Most would not even notice nor care.



I think many people don't like seeing a medium size company competing againt giant corporations like Sony and Microsoft, they see Nintendo as a relique from another time, and wish the videogame industry were all about huge corporations pushing and competing with the latest most advance technology.
After Nintendo 64 and the Gamecube they thought Nintendo was soon going the way of Sega, and they were extremely bothered by Nintendo outselling Sony and Microsoft last gen, they didn't expect that at all. As if Nintendo, the toy company, were not allowed to be more successful than the HD twins, as if it was something outrageous.
I think the hatred some people feel for Nintendo comes from that, and after the Wii sucess the hatred was made stronger because they realized Nintendo was not that harmless and could be quite threatening if they got lucky.
That is why they get all excited and wet when they think of Nintendo going third party.



Pristine20 said:
Aerys said:
Pristine20 said:
curl-6 said:
Mythmaker1 said:
curl-6 said:
Mythmaker1 said:

Fair enough. So what is it about Nintendo games, in particular, that is bestest? :P

Prioritization of fun, cleverly designed, and creative gameplay above all else.


They have that in spades, for the most part.

The point I diverge on is the prioritization of fun. I crave a fun game from time to time, but I often look for the maturity and depth I mentioned earlier, and not as many of their games have as much of that.

For me, everything takes a back seat to fun. Maturity in games is like CGI in movies; it can be a good addition, but also a drawback, and isn't always necessary.

"Fun" is a term that has really been hijacked by the ninty crowd.  Fun = enjoyment so pretty much any game is fun noone would be playing it. As such, all games that have seen a release are probably fun to someone. It's not a ninty-exclusive like some of you seem to infer.


Pretty much this, this is why Sony is at least as much important than Nintendo, they have more variety, mature games, creative( Puppeter is surely the most creative game of the year) and fun games


I would disagree that Sony is as important as nintendo. No other VG company has as many die hard fans as nintendo...that one is for sure.

I cant deny this...Not only on VG, but all over the world, worst on french forums when i read common things like "  gaming is dead with Wii U, rip " and so much hate against PS4 from Nintendo fans because of the sales



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Lol as if a majority of people even say things like the industry would implode or some shit if nintendo wasn't there.



If we are just talking about the big 3 hardware makers, Nintendo is easily the most irreplaceable. Sony and Microsoft are so similar that they could easily replace each other in the event one of them goes out of business. Third parties would pretty easy replace the content they make.

Who replaces Nintendo?



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Dream_While_Awake said:
Gaming in general is not THAT important...


Agreed.



sidmeiernintifan said:
I think many people don't like seeing a medium size company competing againt giant corporations like Sony and Microsoft, they see Nintendo as a relique from another time, and wish the videogame industry were all about huge corporations pushing and competing with the latest most advance technology.
After Nintendo 64 and the Gamecube they thought Nintendo was soon going the way of Sega, and they were extremely bothered by Nintendo outselling Sony and Microsoft last gen, they didn't expect that at all. As if Nintendo, the toy company, were not allowed to be more successful than the HD twins, as if it was something outrageous.
I think the hatred some people feel for Nintendo comes from that, and after the Wii sucess the hatred was made stronger because they realized Nintendo was not that harmless and could be quite threatening if they got lucky.
That is why they get all excited and wet when they think of Nintendo going third party.


That is utter crap by a blind ninty supporter.

People love the small underdogs kicking the shit out of a huge opponent it goes for any industry anywhere.  It almost humen nature to side and feel for the small underdog.  

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Sony isn't nearly as important as people make them out to be either, then.



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