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Madword on 13 January 2014
KingofTrolls said:
binary solo said:

Reliable objective  information, that may or may not confirm your claim, that is not available at the time you make a claim is not evidence. So stop saying the evidence for your claim is NPD 16 January. The certainty with which you are making your claim needs to be backed up with actual reliable, objective information that is available now. You clearly don't have that information so it makes your claim spurious and mischevious.

The interesting thing is, pretty much everyone who's been criticising your approach here is right regardless of whether NPD is within a margin for error of VGC or if NPD is vastly different from VGC in favour of PS4. But if NPD backs up VGC data then you will be so monumentally wrong that I think nothing less than an apology thread will be called for, in which you post a video of you actually eating a crow, which will have to be feathers on otherwise it could just be a chicken. And you will have to say your VGC name in the video otherwise it could just be some random youtube video of a guy eating a crow. So are you prepared to do this if NPD and VGC are close?

Note, no one has said NPD won't show PS4>Xb one, and no one has said NPD won't show PS4>>Xb one to the extent that VGC is pretty much forced to make an adjustment. All anyone has asked for and you've failed to provide is evidence that is available now. So there is no justification in demanding a series of crow eating videos from those who are simply making a reasonable demand. As the saying goes, extra-ordinary claims requires extra-ordinary evidence.

ethomaz said:

What support PS4 over Xbone in December in US? A lot of facts already know.

+ MS holding words to talk about December.
+ MS stating they won't give any more word about sales before the Financial Releases.
+ Amazong showing PS4 above Xbone in every chart.
+ Gamestop showing PS4 above Xbone.
+ Retailers showing big numbers of Xbones not sold (some rare cases of Day One Edition too)
+ Sony shipping news batch of console to US every week * even more than one time per week *
+ Walmart claiming the biggest shipment they received of PS4 for US * even bigger than launch shipment *

 

 So there is no justification in demanding a series of crow eating videos from those who are simply making a reasonable demand. As the saying goes, extra-ordinary claims requires extra-ordinary evidence.

The fact that Sony can not supply enough =/= Sony can not supply as many as MS.

Last NPD proves that Sony supplies/sold more than MS.

 

Justice ? Thats a pretty word.

Look I think Sony are making more machines than MS, but what you post is antecdotal evidence... pretty good evidence... but the proof of anything is NPD. I actually agree with ethomaz suggestings... But he didnt post that list at the start of this whole conversation thread... he said he had info but didnt post it till later :) 

Sony even launched in further countries in December and are continuing to do so, so if they are ahead or equal in USA that is absolutely amazing stuff...  But anyway I digress, lets just wait for NPD :D



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oldschoolfool on 13 January 2014

when does ps4 launch in japan? That's going to be interesting 2 see.



WebMasterFlex on 13 January 2014
oldschoolfool said:
when does ps4 launch in japan? That's going to be interesting 2 see.


February 22



oldschoolfool on 13 January 2014
WebMasterFlex said:
oldschoolfool said:
when does ps4 launch in japan? That's going to be interesting 2 see.


February 22


thanks for the reply. I'm interested in seeing how the ps4 does in that region.



KingofTrolls on 13 January 2014
Madword said:
KingofTrolls said:
binary solo said:

Reliable objective  information, that may or may not confirm your claim, that is not available at the time you make a claim is not evidence. So stop saying the evidence for your claim is NPD 16 January. The certainty with which you are making your claim needs to be backed up with actual reliable, objective information that is available now. You clearly don't have that information so it makes your claim spurious and mischevious.

The interesting thing is, pretty much everyone who's been criticising your approach here is right regardless of whether NPD is within a margin for error of VGC or if NPD is vastly different from VGC in favour of PS4. But if NPD backs up VGC data then you will be so monumentally wrong that I think nothing less than an apology thread will be called for, in which you post a video of you actually eating a crow, which will have to be feathers on otherwise it could just be a chicken. And you will have to say your VGC name in the video otherwise it could just be some random youtube video of a guy eating a crow. So are you prepared to do this if NPD and VGC are close?

Note, no one has said NPD won't show PS4>Xb one, and no one has said NPD won't show PS4>>Xb one to the extent that VGC is pretty much forced to make an adjustment. All anyone has asked for and you've failed to provide is evidence that is available now. So there is no justification in demanding a series of crow eating videos from those who are simply making a reasonable demand. As the saying goes, extra-ordinary claims requires extra-ordinary evidence.

ethomaz said:

What support PS4 over Xbone in December in US? A lot of facts already know.

+ MS holding words to talk about December.
+ MS stating they won't give any more word about sales before the Financial Releases.
+ Amazong showing PS4 above Xbone in every chart.
+ Gamestop showing PS4 above Xbone.
+ Retailers showing big numbers of Xbones not sold (some rare cases of Day One Edition too)
+ Sony shipping news batch of console to US every week * even more than one time per week *
+ Walmart claiming the biggest shipment they received of PS4 for US * even bigger than launch shipment *

 

 So there is no justification in demanding a series of crow eating videos from those who are simply making a reasonable demand. As the saying goes, extra-ordinary claims requires extra-ordinary evidence.

The fact that Sony can not supply enough =/= Sony can not supply as many as MS.

Last NPD proves that Sony supplies/sold more than MS.

 

Justice ? Thats a pretty word.

Look I think Sony are making more machines than MS, but what you post is antecdotal evidence... pretty good evidence... but the proof of anything is NPD. I actually agree with ethomaz suggestings... But he didnt post that list at the start of this whole conversation thread... he said he had info but didnt post it till later :) 

Sony even launched in further countries in December and are continuing to do so, so if they are ahead or equal in USA that is absolutely amazing stuff...  But anyway I digress, lets just wait for NPD :D

He didnt post it till later - this ,, later " means a few pages with a very good amount of Caps Lock, some nice theories about his person,his  brain/mind, only a liittle insult to him + the only one threat of report for break this site rules. Thankfully, he do not care about it like the real man does. And yes, I can prove that my words are true fact !!!!!!!!!!!!! =)

 



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Madword on 13 January 2014
KingofTrolls said:

He didnt post it till later - this ,, later " means a few pages with a very good amount of Caps Lock, some nice theories about his person,his  brain/mind, only a liittle insult to him + the only one threat of report for break this site rules. Thankfully, he do not care about it like the real man does. And yes, I can prove that my words are true fact !!!!!!!!!!!!! =)

 

This is a discussion site, where people generally throw their opinions around as fact... I can fully understand people suggesting he provide evidence, he didnt intially, but that evidence he did supply isn't real numbers it is anecdotal evidence.... and I will say again, I think its good evidence to suggest that PS4 has more of a better sales curves, but ultimately it will depend on how much Sony is shipping, and we don't yet know. So let's wait and see :)



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KingofTrolls on 13 January 2014
Madword said:
KingofTrolls said:

He didnt post it till later - this ,, later " means a few pages with a very good amount of Caps Lock, some nice theories about his person,his  brain/mind, only a liittle insult to him + the only one threat of report for break this site rules. Thankfully, he do not care about it like the real man does. And yes, I can prove that my words are true fact !!!!!!!!!!!!! =)

 

This is a discussion ( discussion this is a very nice thing indeed =) ) site, where people generally ( wait a minute, they said only Ethomaz do this shit)throw their opinions around as fact... I can fully understand people suggesting ( prove it or do not resposne ! Ethomaz fantasy world ! Ethochartz ! he provide evidence, he didnt intially, but that evidence he did supply isn't real numbers( can ANYBODY do it right here right now ? ) it is anecdotal evidence.... and I will say again, I think its good evidence to suggest that PS4 has more of a better sales curves, but ultimately ( i agree ) it will depend on how much Sony is shipping, and we don't yet know. So let's wait and see :)  ( Sure thing, but all the evidence proves Sony sold more. There is no evidence that MS sold more - except VG numbers)

Fuck me, i check this site's rules. Ehthomaz have not break any rule of this site ( not provide/deliver the evidence is not this, also there is no rule that any user have to listen to others ), also there is absolutely no ban if u dont believe VG numbers as true numbers. 

What is a good reason to ban ? Insulting others, do u wanna know who insult etho today ? There is a few of them. Unfortunately all of them are not a,, stupid fanboys' like Ethomaz. No, they are very good debater, every one of them use only fact in their speech ( nobody proves that PS4 can not outsell X1 in USA hurr duh )

Fuck me, the whole shitstorm was because Ethomaz disagree to VGC numbers. Said that they are wrong. Nobody give any reason to defend VGC numbers say ,, VGC numbers are correct because .., only bashing him. This is why I am a advocatus diaboli now. It is so easy to bash one person, when u are with ur comrades.

Hey, I really wanna see kowenicki's answer now.

 

Sorry for bolded part, but I just have to. Justice will be served.



Madword on 13 January 2014
KingofTrolls said:
Madword said:
KingofTrolls said:

He didnt post it till later - this ,, later " means a few pages with a very good amount of Caps Lock, some nice theories about his person,his  brain/mind, only a liittle insult to him + the only one threat of report for break this site rules. Thankfully, he do not care about it like the real man does. And yes, I can prove that my words are true fact !!!!!!!!!!!!! =)

 

This is a discussion ( discussion this is a very nice thing indeed =) ) site, where people generally ( wait a minute, they said only Ethomaz do this shit)throw their opinions around as fact... I can fully understand people suggesting ( prove it or do not resposne ! Ethomaz fantasy world ! Ethochartz !he provide evidence, he didnt intially, but that evidence he did supply isn't real numbers( can ANYBODY do it right here right now ? ) it is anecdotal evidence.... and I will say again, I think its good evidence to suggest that PS4 has more of a better sales curves, but ultimately ( i agree ) it will depend on how much Sony is shipping, and we don't yet know. So let's wait and see :)  ( Sure thing, but all the evidence proves Sony sold more. There is no evidence that MS sold more )

Fuck me, i check this site's rules. Ehthomaz have not break any rule of this site ( not provide/deliver the evidence is not this, also there is no rule that any user have to listen to others ), also there is absolutely no ban if u dont believe VG numbers as true numbers. 

What is a good reason for ban ? Insulting others, do u wanna know who insult etho today ? There is a few of them. Unfortunately all of them are not a,, stupid fanboys' like Ethomaz. No, they are very good debater, every one of them use only fact in their speech ( nobody proves that PS4 can not outsell X1 in USA hurr duh )

Fuck me, the whole shitstorm was because Ethomaz disagree to VGC numbers. Said that they are wrong. Nobody give any reason to defend VGC numbers say ,, VGC numbers are correct because .., only bashing him. This is why I am a advocatus diaboli now. It is so easy to bash one person, when u are with ur comrades.

Hey, I really wanna see kowenicki's answer now.

 

Sorry for bolded part, but I just have to. Justice will be served.

Woah.. calm down mate. I am trying to be civil and have a sensible discussion about the difference about facts/anecdotal evidence and NPD, no need to go all crazy on me. :) 

  • There is no crapstorm, I did not at any point defend/attack VG numbers. I said (if you can be bothered to find it) that there are *always* changes in January, as estimating sales is never a precise process and as such NPD is what everyone should wait for.
  • Also I am not bashing him at all, in fact if you could be bothered to read what you bolded, I actually agree with him.
  • Ethomaz can actually talk for himself, I dont think he needs you to defend him
  • I have no idea what Ethochartz is that people are going on about, and that was the point of another poster, he wanted more info.. rather than "google it"
  • No one should use the word "Fact" for opinion or anecdotal evidence. Fact is the truth, we will only get the truth when NPD releases information, not when people put together evidence.
  • Finally if you just stopped getting all crazy, this whole thread would probably just get back on track

Perhaps we can put this conversation away now, as all we are doing is going around in circles... it really is pointless, and I should be doing my accounts right now, and not wasting my time here :D



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Bladeforce on 13 January 2014

The way vgchartz gets their figures is laughable. I could make figures up then change them when NPD/Sony/Microsoft give figures too! I am wondering if this site is secretly sponsored by Microsoft now. Say anything against Microsoft...ban...sad and pathetic

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KingofTrolls on 13 January 2014
Madword said:

Woah.. calm down mate. I am trying to be civil and have a sensible discussion about the difference about facts/anecdotal evidence and NPD, no need to go all crazy on me. :) 

  • There is no crapstorm, I did not at any point (I agree ) defend/attack VG numbers. I said (if you can be bothered to find it) that there are *always* changes in January, as estimating sales is never a precise process and as such NPD is what everyone should wait for.
  • Also I am not bashing him at all ( I agree ), in fact if you could be bothered to read what you bolded, I actually agree with him.
  • Ethomaz can actually talk for himself, I dont think he needs you to defend him ( I like discussion, also I am the person who said that Ethomaz is right. 
  • I have no idea what Ethochartz is that people are going on about, and that was the point of another poster, he wanted more info.. rather than "google it"( I know who said it, it was not u 100 % )
  • No one should use the word "Fact" ( u killed me now :D ) for opinion or anecdotal evidence. Fact is the truth, we will only get the truth when NPD releases information, not when people put together evidence.
  • Finally if you just stopped getting all crazy, this whole thread would probably just get back on track (I agree again )

Perhaps we can put this conversation away now, as all we are doing is going around in circles... it really is pointless, and I should be doing my accounts right now, and not wasting my time here :D

Smart guy u are=) I Have not mention u in any part before.

U know what is the very best thing in it ? 

Dark Feanor ,, So much lies and distorcions it make me doubt your sanity.

You don´t undertand Ethomaz mind. To him, PS4 will always sells better even if it has no supply.

 

Kowenicki 

Lol.  It would have been easier if you had just said "I havent go the information"

What you are lying about is having evidence... arent you?

Ethomaz throws as much as he can against the wall

WE have to wait for NPD, all of this guesswork, anecdotal evidence, unoffical lists and "sold out" info isnt enough information in isolation.  This is opinion.