By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General - Christians vs Masturbation

 

Do you think masturbation is a sin?

Wack attack baby ! 43 27.92%
 
Cant stop me! 35 22.73%
 
Don't dare flick the bean! 8 5.19%
 
The palm is evil, the pen is mightier! 8 5.19%
 
Just beat it! 45 29.22%
 
Pleasure is sin without a ring 14 9.09%
 
Total:153
NolSinkler said:

Many people think that the crime of Onan was masturbation - no, the crime of Onan was refusing to obey God.

Actually that's not 100% correct either. There's no mention in the bible of god giving any orders etc. to Onan.

It's Onan's father Judah who asks Onan to make a child to his brother's widow, Tamar. (god killed his brother, pretty much just because he didn't like him) Onan has sex with her, but instead of cumming in her, he pulls his dick out and spills his semen on the ground. Why? Because the child wouldn't be considered his own child.

God didn't like that behaviour so he killed Onan as well.



Around the Network
padib said:
LemonSlice said:
If you don't have a sex life and don't masturbate, how can you actually do it over a certain age without going berserk? You have to give your sex drive some kind of outlet. If you don't do it while awake your brain will do it when you can't impose your will. You will have wet dreams, which is basically masturbation in your sleep. Now is that sinful too?

To answer bold, I don't think so, as long as it's not forced (I've had natural wet dream, and some I was able to induce. I know which are healthy personally).

As for the first part, really I've been more sexually fulfilled in the periods of my life where I was not masturbating, because during the periods where I was, I felt more like a zombie, and my excitement over things faded. I think if you want to see what I mean, try abstaining for a month and being surrounded by good people (which usually happens less when I'm in zombie mode because I become more anti-social).

If you try it for yourself, I think you might see what I mean.

Can't say I haven't tried, but I disagree. If you use abstinence as a stimulant, then I guess fine, but try drinking coffee instead.

I always feel more in my element after a good erotic fantasy combined with self-pleasuring. It's what your body wants to do regardless whether you want to or not. I think of it like providing a service to your mind, body and soul and getting rid of pent up demand which gives you better concentration in future endavors, which just might be trying to win over a girl by keeping it cool. Otherwise you might, you know, wank with your mouth. ;)



padib said:
^Fornication is a sin in the bible. You may say it's not a sin but the bible says otherwise.

I'm not judging or forcing anything on anyone, but let's not pretend the bible says otherwise to christians about the sin of masturbation.


The bible never said this.  The bible said "pornea" is sinful activity.  Pornea doesn't have an enlish translation, but the closest thing is essentially "having sex with temple prostitutes so your crops will grow in spring".  The ole King James translated it as "fornication", but that's not overly accurate.

The general guidance of the bible is to be a good person, worhip God and to treat others as you would like to be treated yourself.  I don't see how you could condemn masterbation as being evil as it's not hurting anyone.  I think the only way you could say it was sinful is if you were masterbating on the harm of others (ie, watching child porn) or if it was an addiction that was harming your own life or your life with others.  Otherwise, I think it's natural.  A lot of hang ups with sexual things and Christianity stems from some bizzarre and rather un-Christian stances by the Christian church, and its roots in Greek philosophy.

I will say that refraining from masturbation can give me more energy/enthusiasm to many things in life, such as sports, social events and seeing my girlfriend.  Pretty much anything exciting.



padib said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
padib said:
^Fornication is a sin in the bible. You may say it's not a sin but the bible says otherwise.

I'm not judging or forcing anything on anyone, but let's not pretend the bible says otherwise to christians about the sin of masturbation.


The bible never said this.  The bible said "pornea" is sinful activity.  Pornea doesn't have an enlish translation, but the closest thing is essentially "having sex with temple prostitutes so your crops will grow in spring".  The ole King James translated it as "fornication", but that's not overly accurate.

The general guidance of the bible is to be a good person, worhip God and to treat others as you would like to be treated yourself.  I don't see how you could condemn masterbation as being evil as it's not hurting anyone.  I think the only way you could say it was sinful is if you were masterbating on the harm of others (ie, watching child porn) or if it was an addiction that was harming your own life or your life with others.  Otherwise, I think it's natural.  A lot of hang ups with sexual things and Christianity stems from some bizzarre and rather un-Christian stances by the Christian church, and its roots in Greek philosophy.

I will say that refraining from masturbation can give me more energy/enthusiasm to many things in life, such as sports, social events and seeing my girlfriend.  Pretty much anything exciting.

For bold, I agree, that's what I was trying to tell LemonSlice.

As for what the bible says, I disagree. Jesus said that if you look at a woman lustfully you have committed adultery in your hearts, which means that the bar is set quite high. The Christian  standard for morality is not whether you're hurting someone on earth or not, but first and foremost your intention towards God.

Many people blame Christians for misunderstanding scripture, but often it's the world (outside of christianity) that gets the theology wrong.

Ah, but that is the fundamental thing.  If you have a wife, and are wanting another woman, you are sinning in your heart.  The sin is not in the wanting, but in the betrayal.  If you have a wife, and you are in a hotel 500km away, and you jerk off thinking about her, you're not betraying her.  If you're a 15 year old boy and your dick is going crazy and you jerk off thinking about Kate Upton, I don't think your committing any sin against anyone.  I don't think masterbation is something wrong in and of itself, but it could be wrong as part of something else.  Just as sex itself is not wrong, but if you rape, if you cheat or if you have sex to appease the fertility gods, you are doing something wrong by having sex in those scenarios.  At least in my opinion. I'm not speaking for the big Guy here, just my understanding of things.



lol Christianity has always said on paper that it is wrong, but the higher ups know that almost all of us do it. It is human nature, no biggie.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Around the Network
padib said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Ah, but that is the fundamental thing.  If you have a wife, and are wanting another woman, you are sinning in your heart.  The sin is not in the wanting, but in the betrayal.  If you have a wife, and you are in a hotel 500km away, and you jerk off thinking about her, you're not betraying her.  If you're a 15 year old boy and your dick is going crazy and you jerk off thinking about Kate Upton, I don't think your committing any sin against anyone.  I don't think masterbation is something wrong in and of itself, but it could be wrong as part of something else.  Just as sex itself is not wrong, but if you rape, if you cheat or if you have sex to appease the fertility gods, you are doing something wrong by having sex in those scenarios.  At least in my opinion. I'm not speaking for the big Guy here, just my understanding of things.

And I can't argue with you there, it's your morality, Star, your rules.

The truth is though, when it comes to the bible and the big Guy :) , it's up to Him to decide. When he mentioned the challenge of looking at a woman lustfully, he never mentioned whether the person looking was single or married. Only that lust was sin. With that in mind, the boy thinking of Kate Upton lustfully would be sinning, since lust is a sin against the big Guy. The morality of Christians involves an ingredient that is generally inexistent in the morality of non-believers: sinning against God, e.g.  violating God. For most non-belivers, that is meaningless, so instead the morality is focused around not harming another human being. That is perfectly fine.

However, for Christians, their morality is centered first around not harming God, which also involves to a lesser degree not harming a fellow human being. The first commandment is: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me.", the most important commandment, it's at the top. To violate it is to sin against God and nobody else. The second most important commandment is virtually identical: “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments." The focus really is on God when it comes to judeo-christian morality. The 3rd commandment is similarly to uphold God's holiness.

It is my honest opinion,while using some bible knowledge and playing outside the boundaries of what's written, that thinking about sex is not a sin if the subject of the passion is immaterial (such as in a wet dream, it's not someone in particular that the individual is thinking about), or if the person has simply no control over their thoughts (such as in a dream). The individual can then interpret the dream as a pure reflexion of their psyche and consciously work from there.

No question God is #1.

As far as masterbation and adultery, however, I take the definition of adultery

a·dul·ter·y  (-dlt-r, -tr)

n. pl. a·dul·ter·ies
Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.
So it is safe to assume that it's a given that anyone committing adultery first off must be married.  When Jesus made the comments, I think he was saying yeah, it's a sin to commit adultery.  It's also a sin if you're sitting there wanting to commit adultery, so get those thoughts out of your head and stay loyal to your wife.
I honestly can't say in my heart that Jesus really thinks that a guy getting random boner because he saw a video of Kate Upton running on the beach or a teenager tugging in the shower is doing something morally wrong.  I think way to many Christians (and non-Christians) get hung up on symantics of a book that was written 2000 years ago and has been translated and trascribed numerous times, and lose the message.  I think the message is simple:  Don't cheat, and don't want to cheat.  Pretty good advice, and I'm content that that is the message.  In my heart I see no wrong in someone occationally masterbating, and I trust my concience as a moral guide.




Fun thought of the day:
"why can't Christians ever agree on anything?"
(maybe the Bible isn't as straightforward as people pretend)