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DonFerrari said:
To the three that responded on mine post about cloud what I'm questioning is Ms propaganda about Cloud making the Xbone 4x more powerfull and some users saying titanfall being possible only on Xbone because of that and then the exclusivity. Used the player count to show the game isn't that advanced and graphics haven't benefited from cloud. So in the end it could have been done on ps4 if not by money hatting. And some members here are so hypocrite that they wouldn't ever assume what they defended as gospel a month ago. And why have npcs and ai on competitive MP? I would understand filling the lobby with bots if not enough players are available or if person decide to play MP offline, but mandatory seems unnecessary.

And the other points people just ignored because they didn't had cheap answer. About PC version being equal. Do you really expect that after paying for exclusivity MS would let PC have a much superior version?

And best part is how ms cloud would be the best thing on Earth because ms invested some billions on it... How is it to see it turned into a glorified server for MP?

Whether what that one dude from MS said is marketing propoganda or not remains to be seen. As DF and others pointed out after he said it, most people simply don't have the Internet connection to make use of it right now. So why launch window games would take advantage of it entirely, is beyond me. Luckily, console generations last years and years.

Regarding AI, the AI is not meant to emulate other players, that's why they don't "fill the lobby if not enough players". They are an integral part of the games mechanics, whether there are 4 humans on the server or a full 12.

MS supposedly paying for Respawn to nerf the PC version is just adorable, especially since you just spoke of propoganda.

Regarding the bolded, how is it to see it turned into servers? Awesome? What else could we want as gamers? As long as the servers do their job, that's great. If they are only as good as what EA uses, then its a waste of time and money. Of course, Forza 5 shows us they work pretty damn well.



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DonFerrari said:
To the three that responded on mine post about cloud what I'm questioning is Ms propaganda about Cloud making the Xbone 4x more powerfull and some users saying titanfall being possible only on Xbone because of that and then the exclusivity. Used the player count to show the game isn't that advanced and graphics haven't benefited from cloud. So in the end it could have been done on ps4 if not by money hatting. And some members here are so hypocrite that they wouldn't ever assume what they defended as gospel a month ago. And why have npcs and ai on competitive MP? I would understand filling the lobby with bots if not enough players are available or if person decide to play MP offline, but mandatory seems unnecessary.

And the other points people just ignored because they didn't had cheap answer. About PC version being equal. Do you really expect that after paying for exclusivity MS would let PC have a much superior version?

And best part is how ms cloud would be the best thing on Earth because ms invested some billions on it... How is it to see it turned into a glorified server for MP?

@ 1st Bolded:  I definitely will say that the 4X was PR all the way because no implementation exist of the cloud compute concept just yet.  I also will state that MS has spent the money and time to build a system for cloud compute called Orleans to realize this vision.  Its up to MS to provide the games that show cloud compute doing things that cannot be done currently but at least they have something built so who knows what we might see in the future.

@ 2nd Bolded:  I believe you have not researched Titanfall properly.  It's suppose to have a singleplayer component within a MP only body.  Basically think of Titanfall as a MMO thats not persistant.  You play missions and the AI have their goals and task, give you orders and other stuff.  The are NPCs in your MP game.

@3rd Bolded:  You do know that MS stated that dedicated servers are free for developers who make games for the X1, so I believe that know and condone those servers for MP.  Actually the Titanfall developer pretty much stated that.  I believe the problem you present is one most gamers have, patience.  One thing is clear is that MS is bring their Azure cloud platform to the Xbox.  This is not just isolated to dedicated servers for MP.  This will be dedicated resources that are persistent for all type of content.  There are a lot of things that can be calculated within the cloud that can free up your console to do other things, it can also make the game you play more dynamic.

The thing is, that by MS making dedicated servers free and making hosting affordable to all developers not just the big guys, allow any developer using the X1 platform to expand upon what they can do with their games.  Most of the cloud stuff MS is bringing isn't directly revelant to gamers but its a huge plus for developers.  With those resources, developers should be able to bring a better experience for you the gamer.  Its not something that will be immediately apparent since it take developer support but in a few years it could be something that is taken advantage where we will see a new experience.  Anyway the Gen just started to be patience.



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JayWood2010 said:
DonFerrari said:
To the three that responded on mine post about cloud what I'm questioning is Ms propaganda about Cloud making the Xbone 4x more powerfull and some users saying titanfall being possible only on Xbone because of that and then the exclusivity. Used the player count to show the game isn't that advanced and graphics haven't benefited from cloud. So in the end it could have been done on ps4 if not by money hatting. And some members here are so hypocrite that they wouldn't ever assume what they defended as gospel a month ago. And why have npcs and ai on competitive MP? I would understand filling the lobby with bots if not enough players are available or if person decide to play MP offline, but mandatory seems unnecessary.

And the other points people just ignored because they didn't had cheap answer. About PC version being equal. Do you really expect that after paying for exclusivity MS would let PC have a much superior version?

And best part is how ms cloud would be the best thing on Earth because ms invested some billions on it... How is it to see it turned into a glorified server for MP?


I dont believe anybody is saying that Respawn is making it 4x powerful on XBO with the cloud.  People has said it is possible in the future but that is to be seen in the future and not now.  Cloud computing is real, just not what TitanFall is doing with the cloud.

Also nobody said anything about it only being possible on Xbox One.  However they went with Microsoft partially because Azure Servers being cheap and affordable(Respawn is a small team). I assume it then progressed and MSFT bought the rights for it to be exclusive.  In the end it was a partnership though.  Money hatting is such an annoying word.  It's a business, not a charity.  It really is no different than buying out first party studios and keeping them away from your competitors.  It gives you an advantage to sell your console, and frankly if Sony had the money to do things like this they would as well.

He says very specificly that it is more than a dedicated server.  It is such a broad term when saying we are using the cloud.  And having dedicated servers is HUGE going into the future.  Im a very competitive player online and most games do not have dedicated servers.  And a lot of servers we had last gen generally sucked. I a long with a lot of other people are very happy to hear this news. 

Now im not really sure what your issue is with this but you seem to be basing your opinions off of things people arent saying.  Im sure people have said similar things in the past but my guess is it is far few and in between.  

NPC's Ive explained a few days ago but they play certain roles in the multiplayer including you can hack them to fight for you with an item.  They dont count for a lot of points when killing them an you dont get kills for them as far as i know.  It will probably be very similar to the style of Dota if youve ever played that game. (One of the most popular games in 2013)

The question that comes to play is it a good or bad thing that you can buy  great cheap and affordable servers to do with what you wish without jumping through hoops?

You sincerely don't remember how the Cloud is used as excuse and secret sauce?? Or about some members that ASSURED us that Titanfall can't be run on PS4 because it doesn't have cloud.

The use of assure, the money hating (don't mind the word), having cheaper service and freeing them from the hasle is all welcome in my book... I don't care for Titanfall because it's a shooter, but It's a company right to try and have content (about situations were it's bad a lot of discussion is made about it and I won't enter on it).

My great issue isn't with even MS using the buzzword (they need to market it), its fanboyism using the propaganda to prove a console superior to another when nothing is proved... and even seing the interviews of TT and RS about the limitations some users still believe it will help.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
JayWood2010 said:

My great issue isn't with even MS using the buzzword (they need to market it), its fanboyism using the propaganda to prove a console superior to another when nothing is proved... and even seing the interviews of TT and RS about the limitations some users still believe it will help.


There is fanboyism on both sides.  Just look at the comments in this thread as an example of people making fun of cloud servers.  Do you think fanboyism doesnt play a part in that?

The truth is fanboys say a lot of stupid shit.  This is for sony, MSFT, and Nintendo fanboys.

If everything was the same with titanfall now but instead it was for sony the same people talking shit wouldnt be, and the same people defending would be attacking.

If it was multiplat nobody would care and everybody would just enjoy the game.  These are the sad truths that youre going to find on the internet.

As for the secret sauce thing ive actually seen more sony members bring that up than MSFT members.  There may have been a few members on this site who believed it but it wasnt many.  There really isnt all that many MSFT fans on this site anyways.




       

J_Allard said:
DonFerrari said:
To the three that responded on mine post about cloud what I'm questioning is Ms propaganda about Cloud making the Xbone 4x more powerfull and some users saying titanfall being possible only on Xbone because of that and then the exclusivity. Used the player count to show the game isn't that advanced and graphics haven't benefited from cloud. So in the end it could have been done on ps4 if not by money hatting. And some members here are so hypocrite that they wouldn't ever assume what they defended as gospel a month ago. And why have npcs and ai on competitive MP? I would understand filling the lobby with bots if not enough players are available or if person decide to play MP offline, but mandatory seems unnecessary.

And the other points people just ignored because they didn't had cheap answer. About PC version being equal. Do you really expect that after paying for exclusivity MS would let PC have a much superior version?

And best part is how ms cloud would be the best thing on Earth because ms invested some billions on it... How is it to see it turned into a glorified server for MP?

Whether what that one dude from MS said is marketing propoganda or not remains to be seen. As DF and others pointed out after he said it, most people simply don't have the Internet connection to make use of it right now. So why launch window games would take advantage of it entirely, is beyond me. Luckily, console generations last years and years.

Regarding AI, the AI is not meant to emulate other players, that's why they don't "fill the lobby if not enough players". They are an integral part of the games mechanics, whether there are 4 humans on the server or a full 12.

MS supposedly paying for Respawn to nerf the PC version is just adorable, especially since you just spoke of propoganda.

Regarding the bolded, how is it to see it turned into servers? Awesome? What else could we want as gamers? As long as the servers do their job, that's great. If they are only as good as what EA uses, then its a waste of time and money. Of course, Forza 5 shows us they work pretty damn well.

You answer your own question... Obviously it was PR, if its not possible right now but announced as it would and you will pretend that MS userbase don't say it regularly.

I understand they are part of the mechanic, just think its useless on a MP game, but after JayWood explanation, if the people playing the game like it I don't mind.

MS is already paying Respaw for the exclusivity, wouldn't be too bright to have it being better (not talking about small details like resolution) more players, better texture, better frame rate, etc... or if Xbone version isn't really bellow PC would you think its normal or that Xbone is stronger HW than the PC?

So MS fanbase now think MS invested 3Billion on it to have dedicated servers for Xbone??? Because some say as if Azure were designed to Xbone. I have no problem with it being a server host cluster, I don't play MP but can understand the value for people who use it. Just think the expectations of some were really high.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:
To the three that responded on mine post about cloud what I'm questioning is Ms propaganda about Cloud making the Xbone 4x more powerfull and some users saying titanfall being possible only on Xbone because of that and then the exclusivity. Used the player count to show the game isn't that advanced and graphics haven't benefited from cloud. So in the end it could have been done on ps4 if not by money hatting. And some members here are so hypocrite that they wouldn't ever assume what they defended as gospel a month ago. And why have npcs and ai on competitive MP? I would understand filling the lobby with bots if not enough players are available or if person decide to play MP offline, but mandatory seems unnecessary.

And the other points people just ignored because they didn't had cheap answer. About PC version being equal. Do you really expect that after paying for exclusivity MS would let PC have a much superior version?

And best part is how ms cloud would be the best thing on Earth because ms invested some billions on it... How is it to see it turned into a glorified server for MP?

@ 1st Bolded:  I definitely will say that the 4X was PR all the way because no implementation exist of the cloud compute concept just yet.  I also will state that MS has spent the money and time to build a system for cloud compute called Orleans to realize this vision.  Its up to MS to provide the games that show cloud compute doing things that cannot be done currently but at least they have something built so who knows what we might see in the future.

@ 2nd Bolded:  I believe you have not researched Titanfall properly.  It's suppose to have a singleplayer component within a MP only body.  Basically think of Titanfall as a MMO thats not persistant.  You play missions and the AI have their goals and task, give you orders and other stuff.  The are NPCs in your MP game.

@3rd Bolded:  You do know that MS stated that dedicated servers are free for developers who make games for the X1, so I believe that know and condone those servers for MP.  Actually the Titanfall developer pretty much stated that.  I believe the problem you present is one most gamers have, patience.  One thing is clear is that MS is bring their Azure cloud platform to the Xbox.  This is not just isolated to dedicated servers for MP.  This will be dedicated resources that are persistent for all type of content.  There are a lot of things that can be calculated within the cloud that can free up your console to do other things, it can also make the game you play more dynamic.

The thing is, that by MS making dedicated servers free and making hosting affordable to all developers not just the big guys, allow any developer using the X1 platform to expand upon what they can do with their games.  Most of the cloud stuff MS is bringing isn't directly revelant to gamers but its a huge plus for developers.  With those resources, developers should be able to bring a better experience for you the gamer.  Its not something that will be immediately apparent since it take developer support but in a few years it could be something that is taken advantage where we will see a new experience.  Anyway the Gen just started to be patience.

1 - we both agree... after we see some aplication better than Playstation Now or Orleans (which is totally streamed, here we are talking sending part, what would be a lot harder)... If we had enough speed on internet PS4 and Xbone games could be totaly streamed, but to send and receive calculations some heavy study would be necessary to work in real time. Probably will happen for the next gen.

2- Thanks for the explanation, and together with Jay one I shows the utility, we will need to see it working to see how good it is.

3- I have no problem with MS server side (and sure part of that money were invested thinking about it), what I despise is the spin used to make it be more than it is right now... If it helps the devs it would be fantastic.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

JayWood2010 said:
DonFerrari said:
JayWood2010 said:

My great issue isn't with even MS using the buzzword (they need to market it), its fanboyism using the propaganda to prove a console superior to another when nothing is proved... and even seing the interviews of TT and RS about the limitations some users still believe it will help.


There is fanboyism on both sides.  Just look at the comments in this thread as an example of people making fun of cloud servers.  Do you think fanboyism doesnt play a part in that?

The truth is fanboys say a lot of stupid shit.  This is for sony, MSFT, and Nintendo fanboys.

If everything was the same with titanfall now but instead it was for sony the same people talking shit wouldnt be, and the same people defending would be attacking.

If it was multiplat nobody would care and everybody would just enjoy the game.  These are the sad truths that youre going to find on the internet.

As for the secret sauce thing ive actually seen more sony members bring that up than MSFT members.  There may have been a few members on this site who believed it but it wasnt many.  There really isnt all that many MSFT fans on this site anyways.

Agree with almost everything so won't point much on it.

But I will just say that I wouldn't care for the game even on PS as I didn't for MAG. But saying about general userbase yep... In other thread I was saying that some Xbox fans ignore Destiny because its multiplat now (and threat bungie as traitors) and some PS fans say it will be a lot better than Titanfal because of exclusive content... it is silly, and won't play any of them, but will sure check titanfall on my friend's house just because I like mechas.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."