Arkhandar said:
In what exactly hasn't changed? All three manufactures have the exact same policies regarding developers, publishers and especially indies, so I don't get what you're getting at. |
This is totally false, sony's indie stance alone is a good example, totally open that caused MS to change and indies to leave MS for sony....period. Sony learned from mistakes, Nintendon't.
DBZfan2027 said:
If we're going to bring up selling things, why not bring up the stuff that matters to gaming? Remember when Nintendo sold Rare off to Microsoft? While I don't know their financials at the time (why should I -_-;) I'd wager anything they weren't doing too well around that time. If Nintendo's only means of staying profitable is to conserve as much as possible by making less games, making cheap, outdated hardware, then brag all you want. Ever wonder what will happen when another Wii fad outbreak doesn't happen? Surely they can't stay profitable at this rate with the handheld market continuing to shrink and more Wii-U disasters. Fact is, these charts show that Nintendo is only slightly ahead of Sony, anyway. In the end, Playstation isn't going anywhere, fellas -- and considering the imminent success of PS4, there's no way you're going to spin this into some kind of doomed thread. |
I think your wager didn't pay of. Nintendo haven't lost money since they entered the stock market, with exception of now recently. Next time do your research. You don't seem to be aware of it, but Nintendo never owned Rare. They held 49% stake in the company. MS bought the other 51%, rendering Nintendos percents "useless." That's why they sold, nothing else.
Also, concider yourself reported. Callous sociopaths were uncalled for.
Roma said:
Isn't it better to make people buy a Vita and PS4 for that? |
This service has not started yet and they just confirmed only to US for now with only PS3(first party mostly) to be streamed to PS4/Vita this year and also they want this only for Classics in future to provide a way to users to play them without hardware as a forever way to enjoy their games. Still they have a long way to go to add the support of PS1,PS2 and later to bring service to Europe and other regitons then Tablets/PC devices support. And they will never gonna stream PS4 games as they are not stupid to do that and hurt their currently selling hardware. Also consumers are smart as we know that Streaming is not going to provide what a real hardware does with our current Internet technology everywhere(due to latency, speeds, bandwidth caps, not affordable in many countries etc.,). Please do some research before you commnet as ive explained it cleary but stil you think that Sony is stupid with this Playstaion now service as they trying to cash in and gonna lose hardware sales due to this. Sony always tried to provide more value with their hardware, service, games etc., to consumers and never attempted to for quick cash in like others who does.
Well, they will stop Playstation hardware only if the people don't want want new hardware and we have very good internet connectivity at affordable rates globally. They cant force us to subscribe to this service by stopping the hardware and consumers will not support just like what happened with Xbox one always online. I'm sure that Sony always listens to gamers and developers, so its up to us to decide about the hardware to be stopped.
So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.
PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.
Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.
Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.
Arkhandar said:
Nevertheless, you can still say that Sony never really wanted to innovate gaming with technology and ease the development for devlopers/3rd party until the PS4 came along. In what exactly hasn't changed? All three manufactures have the exact same policies regarding developers, publishers and especially indies, so I don't get what you're getting at. |
Did you see PS4 launch event and what they explained in the video about developers feedback in the new hardware? They provided easy to develop hardware with PS4 which is powerful GPU and has large unified system memory. Also they have given importance to indie in their E3 and we heard so many developers saying good things and launched many games so far in Vita/PS3 and now in PS4. They have very good 3rd party relationship from the beginning of PS1 but Nintendo contradicts in every thing mostly except little indie support.
Also sony always pushing technology in their every new hardware for gaming to have powerful hardware, they faild only one time with PS3 due to the architecture but they provided support to them which is why PS3 sold better than Xbox 360( which was easy to develop for and had a one year head start).
So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.
PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.
Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.
Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.
| FlamingWeazel said: You think sony never invested into those new ip's???? Please. Still way more then nintendo, please show me these great award winning Ip's from Nintendo? HAlf the battle is getting good third party support and devs making great games, again how is that a bad thins?Sony had a lot to do with those games period.
Closed studios?? WTF?? Thats been happening all over gaming, but barely any of sonys have. Pleas elist the oens they destroyed then? I am waiting. Maybe just maybe bad devs destroy them,selves?
If gaming went Nintendos way we would be stuck in the dark ages.,
Sony adapts, changes, learns from mistakes thus PS4 being a dream development environment, meanwhile at nintendo headquarters, it's 1998. |
Excuse me, you can blame Nintendo for a lot of thing (and Sony for the matter) but not for ther lack of new IPs, that's just plain wrong.
And yeah, Sony closed a couple of good studios, such as Zipper, Bigbig and Stuido Liverpool. And yes, they "destroyed" another couple of good IPs (which I loved as a kid, and still do for the classics) like Crash, Ratchet and Jak.
Oh, and here's a list of new Nintendo IPs in the last generations (doesn't it really matter anyway, I won't convince you):
Wii:
WiiWare:
Wii U:
Nintendo DS:
DSiWare:
Nintendo 3DS:
FlamingWeazel said:
This is totally false, sony's indie stance alone is a good example, totally open that caused MS to change and indies to leave MS for sony....period. Sony learned from mistakes, Nintendon't. |
Like Sony, Nintendo is now a safe heaven for indies, so I don't see how Nintendon't learn from mistakes.
In the end, all three companies do, otherwise they wouldn't be still alive anyway.
Arkhandar said:
Excuse me, you can blame Nintendo for a lot of thing (and Sony for the matter) but not for ther lack of new IPs, that's just plain wrong. And yeah, Sony closed a couple of good studios, such as Zipper, Bigbig and Stuido Liverpool. And yes, they "destroyed" another couple of good IPs (which I loved as a kid, and still do for the classics) like Crash, Ratchet and Jak. Oh, and here's a list of new Nintendo IPs in the last generations (does it really matter anyway, I won't convince you): Wii:
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Jak destroyed??? How? Ratchet and clank is going fine.. Zipper and those other devs lacked quality.....you shut down what is no longer working, something nintendo needs to learn. Devloper incompetence is not sony's issue. They already give devs too much leeway, see last guardian.
If your gonna briong up evbery indie and small time game I can list hindreds of PS3 games alone please. most of those are terrible.
Arkhandar said:
Like Sony, Nintendo is now a safe heaven for indies, so I don't see how Nintendon't learn from mistakes. In the end, all three companies do, otherwise they wouldn't be still alive anyway. |
Yet they have failed to ever address theri third party support issues, network infrastructure, nor designed their system around what devs needed.
| FlamingWeazel said: Jak destroyed??? How? Ratchet and clank is going fine.. Zipper and those other devs lacked quality.....you shut down what is no longer working, something nintendo needs to learn. Devloper incompetence is not sony's issue. They already give devs too much leeway, see last guardian.
If your gonna briong up evbery indie and small time game I can list hindreds of PS3 games alone please. most of those are terrible. |
You're right about Jack, destroyed isn't the right word, it was abandoned. And Ratchet is doing fine only in the number of games but since All4One it lacks the quality of its predecessors (this ccoming from a huge Ratchet fan). And Crash, just forget about it, I used to love the guy.
Developer incompetence was an issue, but it was nothing that Sony couldn't fix imo. I mean, WipeOut was good at the very least.
Oh, and those aren't every new indie or small time game on those platforms. They were all financed and published or developed by Nintendo.
IsawYoshi said:
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And i will add to the list: pikmin, wii sports, wii fit (he asked for new ips in the last decade)
NintendoLand, zombiu, game&wario, wonderful101 and the upcoming X (i know that some of them are not nintendo games)
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