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Nem on 05 January 2014
Madword said:
Nem said:
Actually, with the current pace, it will take years before it does.

If the Wii U continues to do well in Japan, it will offset the bonuses the Xbox gets on the American market. In Europe they both sell the same rate. Its a technical tie.

So yeah... i dont think the X1 will outsell the Wii U anytime soon under the current conditions.

The problem will be what kind of drop off in Japan the wii-u wil have after Xmas I would guess. How big was the drop off and how fast last year? I can see it dropping at least 40-60% down within a week or two.. the XboxOne in USA will defiantly be selling more than the Japanese difference I would think.

Europe is defaintely going to be interesting to see, but I still expect the XO to sell better than the Wii-u. So it might actually come down to how well wii-u does in Japan, if it stays high, it might keep the gap closing at a slower pace until software that people want on the wii-u... But I do think XO will get a boost on Titanfall and if Halo releases this year.

Wow so many different factors.... going to be a very interesting year sales wise :)


Remember that the Wii U will also get boosts with Mario Kart 8 and Super smash brothers coming out next year. Actually, the Wii U line-up currently looks to have more potencial. Remember Titanfall will be coming out on the 360 aswell.



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Seece on 05 January 2014
Nem said:
Madword said:
Nem said:
Actually, with the current pace, it will take years before it does.

If the Wii U continues to do well in Japan, it will offset the bonuses the Xbox gets on the American market. In Europe they both sell the same rate. Its a technical tie.

So yeah... i dont think the X1 will outsell the Wii U anytime soon under the current conditions.

The problem will be what kind of drop off in Japan the wii-u wil have after Xmas I would guess. How big was the drop off and how fast last year? I can see it dropping at least 40-60% down within a week or two.. the XboxOne in USA will defiantly be selling more than the Japanese difference I would think.

Europe is defaintely going to be interesting to see, but I still expect the XO to sell better than the Wii-u. So it might actually come down to how well wii-u does in Japan, if it stays high, it might keep the gap closing at a slower pace until software that people want on the wii-u... But I do think XO will get a boost on Titanfall and if Halo releases this year.

Wow so many different factors.... going to be a very interesting year sales wise :)


Remember that the Wii U will also get boosts with Mario Kart 8 and Super smash brothers coming out next year. Actually, the Wii U line-up currently looks to have more potencial. Remember Titanfall will be coming out on the 360 aswell.

XB1 is going to do at least x2 WIiU Japan sales. I don't know why you're expecting a higher baseline for WiiU in Japan this year than what it got in 2013.



 

tbone51 on 05 January 2014
Seece said:
Nem said:
Madword said:
Nem said:
Actually, with the current pace, it will take years before it does.

If the Wii U continues to do well in Japan, it will offset the bonuses the Xbox gets on the American market. In Europe they both sell the same rate. Its a technical tie.

So yeah... i dont think the X1 will outsell the Wii U anytime soon under the current conditions.

The problem will be what kind of drop off in Japan the wii-u wil have after Xmas I would guess. How big was the drop off and how fast last year? I can see it dropping at least 40-60% down within a week or two.. the XboxOne in USA will defiantly be selling more than the Japanese difference I would think.

Europe is defaintely going to be interesting to see, but I still expect the XO to sell better than the Wii-u. So it might actually come down to how well wii-u does in Japan, if it stays high, it might keep the gap closing at a slower pace until software that people want on the wii-u... But I do think XO will get a boost on Titanfall and if Halo releases this year.

Wow so many different factors.... going to be a very interesting year sales wise :)


Remember that the Wii U will also get boosts with Mario Kart 8 and Super smash brothers coming out next year. Actually, the Wii U line-up currently looks to have more potencial. Remember Titanfall will be coming out on the 360 aswell.

XB1 is going to do at least x2 WIiU Japan sales. I don't know why you're expecting a higher baseline for WiiU in Japan this year than what it got in 2013.


you dont expect a bigger year in 2014 than 2013? o.O



tuscaniman99 on 05 January 2014

Easily by end of 2014. Titanfall and Halo guarantee this.



luizje on 05 January 2014

yes probably in the end of 2014



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zorg1000 on 05 January 2014
Jon-Erich said:
lt_dan_27 said:

 


Actually, the original Xbox had one of it's best years when it was dumped.

Thats not true at all, according to vgchartz

2001-1.6m

2002-5.5m

2003-5.8m

2004-6.8m

2005-3.6m

2006-0.7m



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SubiyaCryolite on 05 January 2014
IsawYoshi said:
zorg1000 said:
bonzobanana said:
There is one huge factor in wii u's favour that people are overlooking. The wii u is an incredibly cheap design with low manufacturing costs.

Nintendo have tried to sell the wii u at an inflated price and its struggled but ultimately the wii u will have lower manufacturing costs than a hard drive equipped ps3 or 360. The wii u is fully capable of being sold at a very low price.

There is hardly anything of value in the wii u component wise and they have not used functionality that requires licensing.

1. The chipset is on a 40/45nm process. GPU 40nm and cpu 45nm this is the same or worse than 360 and PS3. The xbox one and ps4 are on a much more expensive 28nm process.

2. There is no hard drive and only a small amount of low speed flash memory.

3. It requires far less power than 360 or PS3 and hence all power components are of lower spec and cheaper.

4. The gamepad screen is just a very low cost resistive screen probably only costing a few dollars.

5. The DDR memory chips are very low speed basic chips, below the memory bandwidth of 360 and PS3 (wii u uses embedded 32MB of memory to compensate for this).

6. Optical drives are not expensive now even higher density drives and there is no support for multiple layers on wii u.

7. They have no licensed royalties to pay. The wii u will not output dolby or dts 5.1 or 7.1 it just uses 5.1 lpcm. It does not have any bluray movie playback or media centre functionality requiring licensed codecs.

8. The radeon gpu is near entry level mobility spec with low licensing costs.

9. The gamepad is missing some functionality like analogue triggers and they use a very low spec battery pack that lasts only 4-5hrs.

10, Obviously the case etc is very basic, minimal size and the circuit board for both the console and gamepad is very low cost.

I'm just making the point Nintendo can price the wii u far more aggressively than ps4 and xbox one. Lets not forget the wii u on average performs lower than 360 and PS3 and the design is using very low cost technology of today. Nintendo have very cleverly used very low cost components in a way that maximises their performance.

Will people be predicting the xbox one will outsell the wii u if the wii u is priced at £99 or £129 etc, maybe $150 in the states. The wii u is fully capable of reaching a budget price point for next christmas that would be impossible for ps4 and xbox one without absolutely huge losses.

Clearly Nintendo loves to make huge profits on weak hardware but they have a card they can play if they have to.

Also the wii u is the only console which is an upgrade route. For current wii owners who basically only use their wii casually, fitness games etc. The wii u represents an upgrade path where they can still use all their old wii software. The pricing of the wii u console may not be right yet but of those 100 million wii users I think many will upgrade when the wii u console hits the right price.

The key thing is at the moment the wii u doesn't represent a fair performance level for its current pricing but that can change.

I think the ps4 is the almost definite winner of this generation but its harder to tell with xbox one vs wii u. I mean the ps4 can basically do anything the xbox one can do but better with the exception of kinect features which most people don't want. The xbox 360 was the king of multiformat gaming vs ps3 but this time around the ps4 beats xbox one considerably by a far higher margin.

Ultimately either could beat the other depending on console pricing, marketing and their exclusive games. Both companies have been poorly managed recently with a lot of poor decisions made. I'm still amazed at how low Nintendo set the wii u spec to the point where it struggles to match ps3 and 360 for multiformat games.

Wii U is sold at a loss at $299 they arent in any position to drastically reduce price

Unless they drop the gamepad that is. 

If they dropped the gamepad what on earth would make the Wii U attractive compared to the X1 or PS4? Heck it would barely be attractive next to the 360 or PS3. That what be suicide on their part.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

Seece on 05 January 2014
tbone51 said:
Seece said:
Nem said:
Madword said:
Nem said:
Actually, with the current pace, it will take years before it does.

If the Wii U continues to do well in Japan, it will offset the bonuses the Xbox gets on the American market. In Europe they both sell the same rate. Its a technical tie.

So yeah... i dont think the X1 will outsell the Wii U anytime soon under the current conditions.

The problem will be what kind of drop off in Japan the wii-u wil have after Xmas I would guess. How big was the drop off and how fast last year? I can see it dropping at least 40-60% down within a week or two.. the XboxOne in USA will defiantly be selling more than the Japanese difference I would think.

Europe is defaintely going to be interesting to see, but I still expect the XO to sell better than the Wii-u. So it might actually come down to how well wii-u does in Japan, if it stays high, it might keep the gap closing at a slower pace until software that people want on the wii-u... But I do think XO will get a boost on Titanfall and if Halo releases this year.

Wow so many different factors.... going to be a very interesting year sales wise :)


Remember that the Wii U will also get boosts with Mario Kart 8 and Super smash brothers coming out next year. Actually, the Wii U line-up currently looks to have more potencial. Remember Titanfall will be coming out on the 360 aswell.

XB1 is going to do at least x2 WIiU Japan sales. I don't know why you're expecting a higher baseline for WiiU in Japan this year than what it got in 2013.


you dont expect a bigger year in 2014 than 2013? o.O

I expect bigger bumps and a better holiday, but MK ect won't sustain WiiU all year long.



 

Chris Hu on 05 January 2014

It will happen sooner then later so sometime this year. Its already tracking ahead in sales and destroying the Wii U in software sales over the same period from launch.



zorg1000 on 05 January 2014
Seece said:
Nem said:
Madword said:
Nem said:
Actually, with the current pace, it will take years before it does.

If the Wii U continues to do well in Japan, it will offset the bonuses the Xbox gets on the American market. In Europe they both sell the same rate. Its a technical tie.

So yeah... i dont think the X1 will outsell the Wii U anytime soon under the current conditions.

The problem will be what kind of drop off in Japan the wii-u wil have after Xmas I would guess. How big was the drop off and how fast last year? I can see it dropping at least 40-60% down within a week or two.. the XboxOne in USA will defiantly be selling more than the Japanese difference I would think.

Europe is defaintely going to be interesting to see, but I still expect the XO to sell better than the Wii-u. So it might actually come down to how well wii-u does in Japan, if it stays high, it might keep the gap closing at a slower pace until software that people want on the wii-u... But I do think XO will get a boost on Titanfall and if Halo releases this year.

Wow so many different factors.... going to be a very interesting year sales wise :)


Remember that the Wii U will also get boosts with Mario Kart 8 and Super smash brothers coming out next year. Actually, the Wii U line-up currently looks to have more potencial. Remember Titanfall will be coming out on the 360 aswell.

XB1 is going to do at least x2 WIiU Japan sales. I don't know why you're expecting a higher baseline for WiiU in Japan this year than what it got in 2013.

Why wouldnt the baseline be bigger? The notable games to release In the first 10 months were Dragon Quest X (7 month late port) and Game & Wario in March, Pikmin 3 and Luigi U in July. Thats a horrible release schedule. The holidays had 2 big titles In Wii Party U and Mario 3D World and a new much more attractive bundle. Also the first half of the year has Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, Wii Fit which are much bigger titles than the games that released in early 2013.



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