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FrancisNobleman on 01 January 2014
vivster said:
A moment of silence for how great this game could've looked on PS4.


Killzone in 2013 looks worse than crysis in 2007, so yeah. There you have it.

It would look about the same as it does now.



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Zekkyou on 01 January 2014
eyeofcore said:
vivster said:
A moment of silence for how great this game could've looked on PS4.

If there was not for Nintendo then there would not be a Bayonetta 2 at all in the first place...

Even if NIntendo didn't decided to fund Bayonetta 2, it would never be on Xbox 360 nor PlayStation 3 let alone a Xbox One or PlayStation 4 because nobody wanted to fund it and publish it in the first place no matter where Platinum Games went to find a publisher that would fund their project. Nintendo revived a dead franchise and now you are crying... If Nintendo didn't revive Bayonetta then you would be today crying about how Bayonetta will never get a sequel because Platinum Games was bankrupt or something in that way...

A moment of silence for how lucky we are to even get a sequel...

You had a chance to turn Nintendo into a hardcore with Gamecube and you miss it... Blame yourself and many people like you that ignored Gamecube because of its looks while inside that little purple box there was a power of two PlayStation 2's and noticeably exeeding potential of original Xbox. You and people like you had a chance to send a message to Nintendo, you failed and now you need to move on...

If you want Nintendo to fund games like Bayonetta 2 then buy their console, buy Bayonetta 2 and Wondeful 101 then send a message to Nintendo then persuade your friends and fellow gamers of your type to do the same. If you gather enough support then it is likely that Nintendo would pursue stronger handware and more adult/mature rated games if there is a audience for those kind of games on their platform and the need for powerful hardware...

You have the power like anyone else to influence the path of one company... Its your choice to use it or not.

Nintendo made the first move with Gamecube and it failed because the audience ignored it because of desing/look of Gamecube... Now its up to you to make the move. Make one or move on... That is my message.





Torillian on 01 January 2014
Samus Aran said:
Torillian said:

Noone is saying that the 3DS doesn't have more, it obviously does, but acting as though the Vita doesn't have Uncharted, LBP, Tearaway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, and Gravity Rush all with meta over 80 and saying the only thing it has worthwhile is Persona 4 G is a vast oversimplification because you've never actually looked at what the platform has.  


I've played that Uncharted game and it was pretty boring. 


And the other four games I mentioned?



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Viktor on 01 January 2014
Samus Aran said:
Torillian said:
Samus Aran said:
Torillian said:
Samus Aran said:


That's ok, I still like you. :p

If Sony just made some exclusive games for the Vita I would have a reason to buy one. But that's my opinion of course. 


Sigh.....you obviously haven't looked into it whatsoever and yet you want to make judgement calls about the Vita not having any reason to exist.  Your opinion is an uninformed pile of crap that hurts to read.  If you want such things to be taken seriously at least make an attempt to research things before making such wild claims.  


Funny how a lot of you guys have been jumping on me for attacking the Vita while never answering my question. What exclusive games does the Vita have? I don't care for inferior ports. I can get a cheap PS3 for that. 

If Vita wants to be taken seriously it needs to have good games that aren't playable on another gaming console. 

3DS has Pokémon X/Y, Zelda: ALBW, Fire Emblem: Awakening, Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, Super Mario 3D Land, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart: 7, etc

Noone is saying that the 3DS doesn't have more, it obviously does, but acting as though the Vita doesn't have Uncharted, LBP, Tearaway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, and Gravity Rush all with meta over 80 and saying the only thing it has worthwhile is Persona 4 G is a vast oversimplification because you've never actually looked at what the platform has.  


I've played that Uncharted game and it was pretty boring. 


You are correct. PSV is a perfect example to show off the hypocrisy of some users, inferior ports are far too often just fine as long as they are on a Sony system and to justify PSVs lackluster library of exclusives. If graphics are that important to someone, a gaming-PC is by far the best choice for multiplats and more and more Japanese developers are jumping in the PC market. A great benefit of PCs is that you also don´t run into problems like missing backwards-compatibility.



SubiyaCryolite on 01 January 2014
RazorDragon said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:

Fast Racing Neo would disagree with you on the Wii U's ability of running games with 4k textures.


4K resolution, not 4K textures. The PS4 does Trine 2 at 4096 x 2960 at 30fps, 1920 x 1080 at 60fps. Wii U does Trine 2 at 30fps and in 720p like the 8-9 year old 7th gen systems and Im suppossed to be impressed? Seriously?

The games the Wii U runs at 1080p right now can run at 1080p on the PS3 and 360 as well. Case in point, Rayman Legends is 1080p60 on all 3 systems. Though if were still exclusive Nintendo fans would use that as "proof" its more powerful.

And while were on the subject of 4K textures, thats possible because of the extra RAM. A 360 with 1GB of RAM would support 4K textures as well. The reason I keep saying 360 + 512MB RAM is to highlight the fairly insignificant "power jump" beytween the two systems. Hardware on the level of a 9 year old system with extra (and slower) RAM and Graphic API extentions thrown on top is not impressive from a technical standpoint, its not. Games and gameplay aside the hardware is WEAK can we stop pretending otherwise.

Lol, the if and could argument. 

Id like to see you flatout deny that an XBox 360 with 1GB or RAM couldnt handle 4K textures.  Keep believing in a Wii U secret sauce all you want,the systems been out for about a year now and theres evidence about its real capabilities from both 1st and 3rd party games everywhere. Barely a month with the PS4 and One and we already see them doing things the 7th gen couldn't.


Sure, man. More RAM is everything you need to do high res textures in a game. I'm quite sure if you put a Voodoo 2 GPU with 1GB VRAM it would run all games available with the same texture quality as the Wii U, right? That's why a 2GB GT 610 GPU, for example, can run games with better texture resolution than a 1GB GTX 650 can.

PS: I'm joking.

Actually it could genious, but at unplayable framerate. You think textures get stored in MHz? Why do high res texture packs require cards to have 1GB or more RAM? A 512MB 9800GTX cant handle Skyrims HQ textures, but a 1GB 9600GT could.

And you just had to choose a Voodoo 2, as if the the Wii Us GPU is soooo much more powerful than the 360s right?



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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Samus Aran on 01 January 2014
Torillian said:
Samus Aran said:
Torillian said:

Noone is saying that the 3DS doesn't have more, it obviously does, but acting as though the Vita doesn't have Uncharted, LBP, Tearaway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, and Gravity Rush all with meta over 80 and saying the only thing it has worthwhile is Persona 4 G is a vast oversimplification because you've never actually looked at what the platform has.  


I've played that Uncharted game and it was pretty boring. 


And the other four games I mentioned?


If I want to play LBP I can just play it on a PS3. Granted I'm ignorant about Gravity Rush and Ys, I might watch some reviews of it when I have time. 

But really, it needs to have games I want to play on a portable gaming device. Pokémon is a good example of a game that's made specifically with handheld in mind. ALBW also offered a different experience from Zelda games on consoles. I don't get the same feel when I watch reviews of PS Vita games. The games on it might not be bad, but often they're just ports or not much different from games you always find on consoles. 



Torillian on 01 January 2014
Samus Aran said:
Torillian said:
Samus Aran said:
Torillian said:

Noone is saying that the 3DS doesn't have more, it obviously does, but acting as though the Vita doesn't have Uncharted, LBP, Tearaway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, and Gravity Rush all with meta over 80 and saying the only thing it has worthwhile is Persona 4 G is a vast oversimplification because you've never actually looked at what the platform has.  


I've played that Uncharted game and it was pretty boring. 


And the other four games I mentioned?


If I want to play LBP I can just play it on a PS3. Granted I'm ignorant about Gravity Rush and Ys, I might watch some reviews of it when I have time. 

But really, it needs to have games I want to play on a portable gaming device. Pokémon is a good example of a game that's made specifically with handheld in mind. ALBW also offered a different experience from Zelda games on consoles. I don't get the same feel when I watch reviews of PS Vita games. The games on it might not be bad, but often they're just ports or not much different from games you always find on consoles. 


You aren't being fair to LBP, if having a game of the same franchise on a different platform is enough to count out something then you're going to have to vastly decrease your own list.  

You can not want a Vita, that's perfectly fine and I will have no argument against that, but saying that it just has no quality exclusives beyond Persona 4 G is a gross oversimplification that I will have to argue against.  Hate how they "feel" to you, but don't act like they don't exist just so you can attack a platform you think is easy pickin's.  



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RazorDragon on 01 January 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
RazorDragon said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:

Fast Racing Neo would disagree with you on the Wii U's ability of running games with 4k textures.


4K resolution, not 4K textures. The PS4 does Trine 2 at 4096 x 2960 at 30fps, 1920 x 1080 at 60fps. Wii U does Trine 2 at 30fps and in 720p like the 8-9 year old 7th gen systems and Im suppossed to be impressed? Seriously?

The games the Wii U runs at 1080p right now can run at 1080p on the PS3 and 360 as well. Case in point, Rayman Legends is 1080p60 on all 3 systems. Though if were still exclusive Nintendo fans would use that as "proof" its more powerful.

And while were on the subject of 4K textures, thats possible because of the extra RAM. A 360 with 1GB of RAM would support 4K textures as well. The reason I keep saying 360 + 512MB RAM is to highlight the fairly insignificant "power jump" beytween the two systems. Hardware on the level of a 9 year old system with extra (and slower) RAM and Graphic API extentions thrown on top is not impressive from a technical standpoint, its not. Games and gameplay aside the hardware is WEAK can we stop pretending otherwise.

Lol, the if and could argument. 

Id like to see you flatout deny that an XBox 360 with 1GB or RAM couldnt handle 4K textures.  Keep believing in a Wii U secret sauce all you want,the systems been out for about a year now and theres evidence about its real capabilities from both 1st and 3rd party games everywhere. Barely a month with the PS4 and One and we already see them doing things the 7th gen couldn't.


Sure, man. More RAM is everything you need to do high res textures in a game. I'm quite sure if you put a Voodoo 2 GPU with 1GB VRAM it would run all games available with the same texture quality as the Wii U, right? That's why a 2GB GT 610 GPU, for example, can run games with better texture resolution than a 1GB GTX 650 can.

PS: I'm joking.

Actually it could genious, but at unplayable framerate. You think textures get stored in MHz? Why do high res texture packs require cards to have 1GB or more RAM? A 512MB 9800GTX cant handle Skyrims HQ textures, but a 1GB 9600GT could.

And you just had to choose a Voodoo 2, as if the the Wii Us GPU is soooo much more powerful than the 360s right?


The unplayable framerate part is exactly the one I'm talking about. Now get a 1GB 9800GTX and 1GB 9600GT and try making texture resolution go up in any game, you'll lose more performance on the 9600GT than you will on the 9800GT, all other settings equal. That's what I'm talking about, textures don't get stored in MHz, but making use of higher resolution textures isn't a free thing just because you have more RAM, you need more compute power to actually apply those to a gaming environment.



SubiyaCryolite on 01 January 2014
RazorDragon said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
RazorDragon said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:

Fast Racing Neo would disagree with you on the Wii U's ability of running games with 4k textures.


4K resolution, not 4K textures. The PS4 does Trine 2 at 4096 x 2960 at 30fps, 1920 x 1080 at 60fps. Wii U does Trine 2 at 30fps and in 720p like the 8-9 year old 7th gen systems and Im suppossed to be impressed? Seriously?

The games the Wii U runs at 1080p right now can run at 1080p on the PS3 and 360 as well. Case in point, Rayman Legends is 1080p60 on all 3 systems. Though if were still exclusive Nintendo fans would use that as "proof" its more powerful.

And while were on the subject of 4K textures, thats possible because of the extra RAM. A 360 with 1GB of RAM would support 4K textures as well. The reason I keep saying 360 + 512MB RAM is to highlight the fairly insignificant "power jump" beytween the two systems. Hardware on the level of a 9 year old system with extra (and slower) RAM and Graphic API extentions thrown on top is not impressive from a technical standpoint, its not. Games and gameplay aside the hardware is WEAK can we stop pretending otherwise.

Lol, the if and could argument. 

Id like to see you flatout deny that an XBox 360 with 1GB or RAM couldnt handle 4K textures.  Keep believing in a Wii U secret sauce all you want,the systems been out for about a year now and theres evidence about its real capabilities from both 1st and 3rd party games everywhere. Barely a month with the PS4 and One and we already see them doing things the 7th gen couldn't.


Sure, man. More RAM is everything you need to do high res textures in a game. I'm quite sure if you put a Voodoo 2 GPU with 1GB VRAM it would run all games available with the same texture quality as the Wii U, right? That's why a 2GB GT 610 GPU, for example, can run games with better texture resolution than a 1GB GTX 650 can.

PS: I'm joking.

Actually it could genious, but at unplayable framerate. You think textures get stored in MHz? Why do high res texture packs require cards to have 1GB or more RAM? A 512MB 9800GTX cant handle Skyrims HQ textures, but a 1GB 9600GT could.

And you just had to choose a Voodoo 2, as if the the Wii Us GPU is soooo much more powerful than the 360s right?


The unplayable framerate part is exactly the one I'm talking about. Now get a 1GB 9800GTX and 1GB 9600GT and try making texture resolution go up in any game, you'll lose more performance on the 9600GT than you will on the 9800GT, all other settings equal. That's what I'm talking about, textures don't get stored in MHz, but making use of higher resolution textures isn't a free thing just because you have more RAM, you need more compute power to actually aplly those to a gaming environment.


A 512MB 9800GTX cant handle Skyrims HQ textures, but a 1GB 9600GT could.

Is a 1GB 9600 GT more powerful that a 512MB 9600GT? No, its the same card but one can handle higher res textures and the other cant. Do you think theyd perorm the same with skyrims high res textures, honestly? Now why is that so hard to process in regards to WiiU vs XBox 360? What makes you think a 360 with 1GB of RAM cant do what the WiiU is doing now when it barely beats Vanilla 360 as is? When a game like Resident Evil Revelations of all things judders on the system? Do I need to put a link to every damn faceoff involving the Wii U.

No I dont this alone will do 

"we can rule out any next-gen pretensions for Wii U" 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-wii-u-graphics-power-finally-revealed

At the time (before I got the system) I dismissed them but after a year on the market and owning one for myself its painfully obvious. These guys arent fanboys, arent affeliated to any system and actually know what they are talking about so I'll take their word (and my eyes) over anythying else.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

hunter_alien on 01 January 2014
curl-6 said:
fatslob-:O said:
curl-6 said:
fatslob-:O said:
It doesn't look much better than the first bayonetta.

I still stand by my statement. The only thing that bayonetta 2 has over the first appears to be HDR lighting. 

And volumetric light shafts. And a less washed out image. And a higher level of fine detail. And from demo reports, no screen tearing.


Still, its far from a generational leap.

 

OT: The game looks good, lets hope that sales will be good enough



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