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It will never go bankrupt, they have more than enough assets to sale. For example Nintendo could buy their Playstation division and brand. Wich would be cool because that would mean we could see Mario on Playstation 4.



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Well if the ps4 is a runaway success and Microsoft fights back and we have a price war then Sony are vulnerable. The Sony brand is still a good one. Much more likely they would be taken over than go into bankruptcy. It's possible some of their debt may get written off if the company looks weak and investers believe the company has a good business model for the future.

Nintendo and MIcrosoft are safe although longer term Windows operating systems will be less important. Fingers crossed steamos removes the need for windows on gaming pcs in a few years.



It would be easy to say "oh well then just stop making TVs", but that isn't really an option.  TVs are high profit items, and provide the best opportunity for Sony to make the kind of money that they need to repay their creditors.  Even if the PS4 is wildly successful, that isn't going to generate the revenue they need.  They would basically need to make as much money as Nintendo since 2006 off gaming.  Considering weaker first party software sales, and a failing portable, there is no way Sony can do that with the PS4 alone.


I agree in a lot of points but another not.

First Sony have not 15 Billion debt what i hear they have 100 Billion Dollar debts. When i am wrong i will appreciate when you can say me the numbers with a link. 15 billion is not a high number for Sony.

Second the TV Division are not high profitabel. Where have you get this???? Hell even a Samsung Manager say the profit are realy realy small. And they are the kings of this Buisniss.

The PS 4 will be not so high profitable then the Sony Fanboy will have but they will make profit with this. The bigger Problem is what will change when the Smartphone Division when Samsung release his new Samsung Galax? Or Apple with his new IPhone.

Sony have not this cool feeling from 15 Jears then everybody has have Sony Products and are cool (TV, VAIO Laptop and PS2). This is abig problem.



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Asdrendeluxe said:

It would be easy to say "oh well then just stop making TVs", but that isn't really an option.  TVs are high profit items, and provide the best opportunity for Sony to make the kind of money that they need to repay their creditors.  Even if the PS4 is wildly successful, that isn't going to generate the revenue they need.  They would basically need to make as much money as Nintendo since 2006 off gaming.  Considering weaker first party software sales, and a failing portable, there is no way Sony can do that with the PS4 alone.


I agree in a lot of points but another not.

First Sony have not 15 Billion debt what i hear they have 100 Billion Dollar debts. When i am wrong i will appreciate when you can say me the numbers with a link. 15 billion is not a high number for Sony.

Second the TV Division are not high profitabel. Where have you get this???? Hell even a Samsung Manager say the profit are realy realy small. And they are the kings of this Buisniss.

The PS 4 will be not so high profitable then the Sony Fanboy will have but they will make profit with this. The bigger Problem is what will change when the Smartphone Division when Samsung release his new Samsung Galax? Or Apple with his new IPhone.

Sony have not this cool feeling from 15 Jears then everybody has have Sony Products and are cool (TV, VAIO Laptop and PS2). This is abig problem.

1.  I believe there is some short term debt that Sony has, and some long term debt.  Long term debt might be from something like issuing bonds.  Debts that exist, but aren't going to come due for a while.  Short term debt is something that needs to be paid off in the immediate future.  That may be where the distinction comes from, but I could be wrong.

2.  Right now, TVs are a tough business to make money in as many recently upgraded their TVs to HD, among other factors.  However, an individual TV is a high profit item.  Sony could make a few hundred dollars off of a TV sale, while they make next to nothing, or lose money, on a console sale.

The problem of course is that TVs are more costly to make, so the cost of not selling a TV is far greater.  Fierce competition also can drive down prices.  So, while it's a hard division to make money in right now, it also has a pretty high potential profit.

Think of it this way.  Let's say Sony dropped the TV division now.  In about 2 years, TVs start broadcasting in 4K and movies come out in 4K.  Everyone wants a 4K TV.  Sony gets none of that sweet 4K money while Samsung, LG, and maybe even Panasonic make a mountain of cash.

That's just a hypothetical, but that's the situation.  The potential to make profits is pretty high with TVs, which is why so many companies are sticking with it through this tough time.  If Sony bails out, then they're severely limited if TVs become hot items again, which may happen once the smartphone hooplah dies down a bit.  That's why companies keep all of these divisions that aren't necessarily making money at the time.  Because it allows them to maintain a presence in the field and make money off of it when the conditions are right.

Think of it like this, Sony has gangrene in their arm.  They could cut off their arm to save their body, but if they do that, then they have to go on without an arm.  If they can heal the arm, then they'll be healthy with two arms.  Obviously, two arms are better than one... assuming the gangrene doesn't kill them first.



JWeinCom said:
Asdrendeluxe said:

It would be easy to say "oh well then just stop making TVs", but that isn't really an option.  TVs are high profit items, and provide the best opportunity for Sony to make the kind of money that they need to repay their creditors.  Even if the PS4 is wildly successful, that isn't going to generate the revenue they need.  They would basically need to make as much money as Nintendo since 2006 off gaming.  Considering weaker first party software sales, and a failing portable, there is no way Sony can do that with the PS4 alone.


I agree in a lot of points but another not.

First Sony have not 15 Billion debt what i hear they have 100 Billion Dollar debts. When i am wrong i will appreciate when you can say me the numbers with a link. 15 billion is not a high number for Sony.

Second the TV Division are not high profitabel. Where have you get this???? Hell even a Samsung Manager say the profit are realy realy small. And they are the kings of this Buisniss.

The PS 4 will be not so high profitable then the Sony Fanboy will have but they will make profit with this. The bigger Problem is what will change when the Smartphone Division when Samsung release his new Samsung Galax? Or Apple with his new IPhone.

Sony have not this cool feeling from 15 Jears then everybody has have Sony Products and are cool (TV, VAIO Laptop and PS2). This is abig problem.

1.  I believe there is some short term debt that Sony has, and some long term debt.  Long term debt might be from something like issuing bonds.  Debts that exist, but aren't going to come due for a while.  Short term debt is something that needs to be paid off in the immediate future.  That may be where the distinction comes from, but I could be wrong.

2.  Right now, TVs are a tough business to make money in as many recently upgraded their TVs to HD, among other factors.  However, an individual TV is a high profit item.  Sony could make a few hundred dollars off of a TV sale, while they make next to nothing, or lose money, on a console sale.

The problem of course is that TVs are more costly to make, so the cost of not selling a TV is far greater.  Fierce competition also can drive down prices.  So, while it's a hard division to make money in right now, it also has a pretty high potential profit.

Think of it this way.  Let's say Sony dropped the TV division now.  In about 2 years, TVs start broadcasting in 4K and movies come out in 4K.  Everyone wants a 4K TV.  Sony gets none of that sweet 4K money while Samsung, LG, and maybe even Panasonic make a mountain of cash.

That's just a hypothetical, but that's the situation.  The potential to make profits is pretty high with TVs, which is why so many companies are sticking with it through this tough time.  If Sony bails out, then they're severely limited if TVs become hot items again, which may happen once the smartphone hooplah dies down a bit.  That's why companies keep all of these divisions that aren't necessarily making money at the time.  Because it allows them to maintain a presence in the field and make money off of it when the conditions are right.

Think of it like this, Sony has gangrene in their arm.  They could cut off their arm to save their body, but if they do that, then they have to go on without an arm.  If they can heal the arm, then they'll be healthy with two arms.  Obviously, two arms are better than one... assuming the gangrene doesn't kill them first.


Thank you very much i have enjoy, then you have me answer with respect. Realy enjoy what you have say. And this point with 4k is not stupid.



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I think a lot of people around here are not quite understanding the numbers being presented here. These are the sorts of numbers that investors use to decide where they are going to throw hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars.



At any case, I think the only ones that know how badly Sony's doing is Sony.



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”The environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry” (Jack Tretton, 2009)

Aielyn said:
DirtyP2002 said:
“Based on latest financial disclosure Sony Corporation has Probability Of Bankruptcy of 78%. This is 182.34% higher than that of Consumer Goods sector, and 163.57% higher than that of Electronic Equipment industry, The Probability Of Bankruptcy for all stocks is 122.48% lower than the firm.”

The numbers provided here are meaningless, and thus I distrust the claim being made. The probability of bankruptcy of all stocks can't possibly be 122.48% lower, because that would make the probability negative, and probabilities can't be negative. Furthermore, one cannot talk of a probability of an event being "182% higher" than that of another event - anybody with even a meagre grasp on statistics knows that this is a meaningless thing to say.

As much as I think Sony is in financial trouble, I don't think this supposed analysis is meaningful. And, just as with any other case of analysis being released for free, I find it to be highly suspicious.

You are misunderstanding what they are saying. These are the actual numbers:

http://gaminrealm.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/368f0d42aaa83d013e9719f758e2ed95-600x236.png

What they are saying is, Sony's probability of going into bankruptcy is more then double the probabibility of all equities going into bankruptcy and nearly quadruple that of the entire consumer goods sector. There is nothing meaningless about these numbers.

This is nothing new for Sony. They've been having issues for years now, and short term success with one product (that they are probably only breaking even on right now) will not change that. Sony's problems are bigger then just their gaming division. The entire company is in trouble and multiple sectors have been losing money, and it's been going on for AWHILE. The Junk rating alone should be troubling to people, because that makes borrowing money VERY expensive for any company, meaning that borrowing money is a significantly more expensive cost for Sony. People shouldn't blow this off so quickly just because the PS4 is riding high. The company is MUCH bigger then that.

DarkD said:
If they didn't point a 22% finger at Nintendo I would take this more seriously. Nintendo is as healthy as ever, they stand no chance of going bankrupt within the next 10 years.... Nintendo has turned a profit every year since since the stone ages. They made a loss one year and now they have a 22% chance of bankruptcy??? Are they high? They do know how much money Nintendo raked in during the Wii/DS years right?

As far as Sony is concerned, aren't they just really really close to going into debt? Selling their headquarters was just tightening their belt a little. Sony is a deeply rooted company with branches everywhere. At worst they are going to cut a few failing divisions of their company.

22% is actually a damn good number. See the link above.



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