Whether this is true or not this opinion from you would not have changed.

What giant hole Forza 5 has a great attachment ratio sure it will go down over time but right now its great and the sales are pretty good also its the third best selling game on the X1 and the highest selling exclusive and will remain the best selling racing game on the X1 until Forza Horzion 2 or Forza 6 comes out.

Wow its interesting Gran Turismo is higher than Forza. Usually games released at the end of the generation are judged more harshly than games released at the beginning of a generation, so that makes GT's rating more impressive.

What gen are we taking about? If 7th - present:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/forza-motorsport-3 (92)

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/forza-motorsport-4 (91)

But you weren't just saying that it had a high attachment ratio. You were using it as some sort of metric to say that Forza 5 was doing great. Which when questioned about if you just flaked out and moved on. It ended with:

"So you're saying it's ok to compare the attachment rates of a game that  came out on a console with 80M units to one with 1.5M units. But it's not ok to compare two games that come out on different consoles because of userbase? Sounds about right.

Also, you're the one who said that Forza isn't losing sales with Forza 5. You can't make that assesment without making the comparison to Forza 4. My argument was that Forza is losing sales with 5. Your argument was literally just the oposing view of the same argument. Yet mine isn't valid because they came out on different consoles? Are you seeing the issue here?"

You never answered either of those questions.

Next, you said that it will be the best selling racing game on the X1 until the next Forza comes out. Which you say as if it's a big deal, but the only other racing game coming for the x1 (other than NFS) as far as I know is PCars. Isn't that game coming late 2014? On top of that,  Forza games come out every year don't they? So it's going to be one of only two racing games for the X1 until late next year when the next Forza game will be out. So it means nothing for it to be the best selling since it will have no actual competition. That's like winning an election by running unopposed.

Gee, another dick waving contest. Congratulations on both sides doing their best job.

Well it has actual competion now with Need for Speed rivals and its currently outselling it 4 to 1.  Also Forza games to not come out every year they usually come out every two years.  And your argument isn't valid you can't compare sales of games where one console sold less then 2 million units to one that sold 80 million units. 

Did you read the part where I say "other than NFS"? Besides, NFS games are always weak sellers. GT6 beat Rivals week one numbers 10 to 1.

There are now 6 Forza games. 3 of them have come out in the last 3 years. We'll likely see Horizon 2 in 2014. Forza is probably going to become a yearly series.

Oh so you've caught on to what I was saying now? Your argument was no more valid than the argument I brought up about having less sales than Forza's 3 and 4 . Which should have been pretty obvious...But, in case you've missed it again.

"So you're saying it's ok to compare the attachment rates of a game that  came out on a console with 80M units to one with 1.5M units. But it's not ok to compare two games that come out on different consoles because of userbase? Sounds about right."