I suggest you read my last post, directly above this one.

And yes, if someone had posted at the time of the PS2 launch that the Dreamcast was the better system at that point in time, I probably would have agreed with them then, too. Because it is entirely possible for one system to be the better purchase at a certain point in time, with a given amount of knowledge, but for it to be the wrong choice in the long term. Of course, you're not going to admit that it's possible for the Wii U to have the better library in a year's time, or two year's time, etc, so in the end, there's not much point continuing this debate - you have already decided on the "truth", which is a problem for me, because I deal in facts, not truths.

You know, I've noticed something about console warmongers - they like to invoke the Dreamcast to prove their arguments, quite a bit. It's like the gamer equivalent of invoking the Nazis. From now on, if someone points to Dreamcast and goes "that would have applied to the Dreamcast, too", I'm going to mock the hell out of them for having just lost the argument, in the exact same way that a person who invokes the Nazis to win an argument necessarily loses the argument (unless it's an argument about the Nazis to begin with, of course).

Nailed in the right spot.

And nintendo fans aren't ?!!!

Atleast I'm buying the games LOL. Sooner or later nintendo's gonna have to get money from somewhere if not from their fans. 

Those who don't buy the games are more guilty because they want the industry to crash. 

Oh but I do if we take a look at sales figures. How can there be such a discrepancy in terms of revenue ? It's really obvious that the masses do not take metacritic reviews seriously because there's absolutely no correlation between scores and sales. You see those "flip floppers" are a bunch of fanboys who let their prefernece get in the way. How do you know that metacritic is influencing game sales when theirs such a clear distortion of the distributed sales ? You see your problem is assuming that the masses do factor in scores but that's clearly disproven because games like WII party and carnival games didn't flop. Haze and Lair was hyped by hardcore playstation fans so your point is null and invalid for the most part. The game flopped because the masses thought it was a low quality game, not because of the review scores. 

The problem with giving advice is that they don't necessarily agree that what they want is what you want. Your statement was not "somewhat" of an exaggeration, it was "excessively" exaggerated. Unlike experienced gamers, financialists have some actual credentials for a job compared to experienced gamers. The reason alot of gamers choose not to purchase alot of games is because they want alot of bang for their buck. The masses are clearly expressing this through their game purchases so your example really is farfetched. 

Marketing is only gonna take a product so far. I keep telling you that "software sells hardware". What else is there to a game console ? It's obvious at this point that the WII U has no worthwhile exclusive because the masses don't value the games. No the 30 million purchases were not strictly from core gamers but at the same time how well did kinect game sales do ? Just because fans and reviewers alike praise the game does not mean the market will act accordingly. Again your problem is assuming masses will listen to reviewers but that's clearly not the case because discrepancy and a distortion in game sales exists everywhere. Game sales will show the votes so yeah I do use game sales to show quality. It's obviously clear that I have a bias, while I will lock at game sales it does not mean that I will purchase the game, I just use game sales as a way to measure quality of the games. It's more reliable than metacritic will ever be. Sadly enough you do not look at the bigger trend. SM3DW DID NOT MOVE ALOT OF CONSOLES. A game really only matters if it CAN SELL HARDWARE. 

No, the PS4 is winning next-gen gaming, even tho WiiU has better games as of now.

Oh dear god. Please for a moment, stop and think about what you are saying. How do you think the masses as you like to put it would have been able to deem whether Haze and Lair were of quality or were not? Did they look at the cover and go “Well that does not look like a quality game”. Did they look through screenshots and videos which did in fact look promising? Most likely they looked at the review which contributed to the purchase. You keep claiming that I don’t understand how “the masses” work yet your own argument is contradicting in itself. Either they buy in an impulsive unpredictable manner, and are completely affected by marketing or they are more intelligent that and do they’re homework. The fact of the matter is that it is a mix of both, which is why certain games of lower quality end up selling better than others that are critically acclaimed. As a Nintendo fan I will admit, Carnival games and Wii party didn’t flop because a significant amount of soccer moms who purchase the Wii for there family look at games like that and go “well that looks fun for the kids”.
 

I don’t feel it was excessive. It was an analogy that gave a comparison. Purchasing a game for the ‘masses” is still an investment for them. So your saying that an experienced gamer would not be able to analyze a persons interest and then give a non biased opinion of a game to help direct them to an experience they would enjoy?  I don’t think you understood what I was trying to say. The opinion to analyze someone’s interest and recommend them a genre that would suit them would be substantially of more value coming from an experienced gamer than a soccer mom saying “well just buy this game because it looks fun”. They wouldn’t be able to give the same analysis for a game recommendation based on this lack of experience and knowledge. Therefore, financial adviser vs. stoner is not that far fetched when comparing!

You’re completely underestimating the ability of marketing. You’re also not factoring in that recognition is key. If the public is not educated to the existence of a console and believes it’s an expensive add on, that will impact the sales of such said console. The Wii U has worth while exclusives, there are many sites known for low balling Nintendo games and having quite the “hate-on” so to speak who have given good reviews for the likes of Pikmin, Zelda and SMW3D.  The games are not Nintendo’s problem (at this point), Nintendo's problem is that the hardware itself is not selling. They haven’t managed to make the hardware look attractable and came in at too high of a price due to the game pad. The system looks as if the Wii was bundled with an add-on at a higher price. Most people as I’ve stated over and over again still have no clue what that the system even exists.  Nintendo have not be able to properly communicate that to the customer “which” is the reason for it’s sales.  As for SMW3D, since its release, The Wii U has gone from 3.95mill to 4.5 in a matter of a few weeks, which shows Mario moving consoles, just not to the extent that some people thought. 

Wii had only a handfull of good games and all were from nintendo, most have their counter part lready on the Wii U and look at sales. That cant compare to the donzens of gems in the PS2.

 Just look at Wii u sales, out of the 100 million Wii owners only 5% have cares about the Wii U library, casuals only cared about wii sports, PS2 had a miriad of reason to buy the console.

Wiiu winning nextgen gaming lmao what an article

@Bold Do you have any statistics to prove that they go looking for reviews ? (Not from the forums but from the so called "soccer moms" because I am looking for non biases all around.) You clearly demonstrated that you obviously don't understand how masses will buy a game. The masses do NOT impulsively buy games immediately. The way a game can be successful towards the masses is that a small fraction of them are willing to try them. If they deem the game as a high quality title then they will spread words to others and you get a wild fire affect of demand. Games like mario kart and NSMBWII did not sell upon tens of millions on release. The reason they have attained these legs is through the words of other parts of the masses. Your assumption that they impulsively buy is incorrect and disingenuous at best. 

The masses do not care about review scores, it's as simple as that otherwise their wouldn't be such distortions in sales across each games. 

You see the problem with "experienced gamers" is that they are biased by their own defintion of what a defines a "quality" game. The reality of it all is that the market responds differently. The market simply has the greater presence in comparison to the "experienced gamer". What the "market" thinks about the "experienced gamer" is simply irrelevant to the amount of votes that were shown. 

@Bold The problem with that logic is your equating opinions that pertains to games compared to a financial adviser that has credentials to do the jobs.

The votes or opinions of a "soccer mom" and a "gamer" is equal as far as the market is concerned, it's as simple as that. The recommendation of a financial adviser is incomparable to that of a stoner because a financial adviser is trained to manage something as objective as financial wealth and for that your example was definitely far fetched.

Marketing will do nothing if the masses do not realize you definition of quality pertaining to a game. Therefore these games deserve low sales because the masses just simply do not have anything worthwhile to mention about these games. If the WII U truly had worthwhile exclusives then they wouldn't be having non existant legs. Again I have to keep telling you that "SOFTWARE SELLS HARDWARE". What exactly is so hard to understand about this statement ? Price can be an issue but all it comes down to a gaming console is the games. Would you rather a console with all your favourite game that cost $1000 for a console or would you rather a $100 console with absolutely no games ? The masses know what the WII U is, it's just that they don't want it as you can clearly see for a year now. SM3DW didn't move alot of hardware because the market thought it was a low quality title. In other words SM3DW is a flop compared to other mario titles. 

@Bold I disagree with this. If they truly only cared about wii sports then why does the WII have more 5+ million software sales compared to the PS360 ?