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fatslob-:O said:
superhippy420 said:


Yea personally I think they should lay off the 3D and 2D mario games for a little while.   They have cranked out 4 of each in 6 years and I think its to the point where there is comsumer fatigue.  I get why they have done it,  Gamecube was the least Mario focused console ever and it bombed, while Wii and DS were heavy Mario and sold like crazy, but they need to make people hungry for it again.  People are begging for Mario Kart and Smash Bros because it has been so long.  Same went for GTA V when it came out. 

Mario kart is the only franchise that nintendo gives a damn in making it good aside from 3D mario. Nintendo can make people hungry again for mario if they start by cutting the bullshit from 2D mario. I'm sick and tired of nintendo treating it like crap. Have they no shame in rehashing 2D marios but give 3D marios the better treatment. GTA is a good franchise because rockstar truly does care about making it into a good game. It was only until GTA 3 that the franchise got big and started growing the gaming audience.

Nintendo is the same way for the most part.  There is a reason we all have to wait for Zelda/Kart/Smash for so long, yet its always worth it when they come out.  This is why I stick with Nintendo because there are very few companies now that understand this concept.  Bethesda,Nintendo,2K,Naughty Dog,Rockstar.  Thats about it, everyone else is just about making $$$ fast, sometimes companies like EA put something truely great out, but for the most part they are trash. (cough..Battlefield 4).



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fatslob-:O said:
superhippy420 said:
fatslob-:O said:
aikohualda said:
fatslob-:O said:
Metacritic scores means nothing if your games keep flopping on a commercial basis.

then wii games is the best then in your definition huh.... and call of duty :)

I will admit that I did love the shit out of the WII because of the extremely fun games and that especially goes with mario kart wii and wii sports. I won't deny the fact that I like call of duty too which is pretty decent.

I'm one of the few people who will not categorize dumb shit like "casual" or "hardcore" but a gamer is a gamer.


Yea the whole arguement is really dumb.  People use hardcore to replace Niche (Pikmin,Dark Souls,Catherine) and call things casual that are really just wide appeal (COD, Mario Kart).   Casual to me is things like Wii Sports,Kinect Sports,Wii Fit, Just Dance...basically just games that non-gamers are willing to pick up and play.   Good Luck finding some non-gamers to play COD with you.

It's thanks to COD that those non-gamers also came to the PS360.

Your underestimating CODs ability to create growth in gaming because COD ACTUALLY SELLS HARDWARE. 

COD sells hardware?? yes you are correct, Black Ops2 and Ghosts are doing wonders for Wii U sales.



zippy said:
fatslob-:O said:
superhippy420 said:
fatslob-:O said:
aikohualda said:
fatslob-:O said:
Metacritic scores means nothing if your games keep flopping on a commercial basis.

then wii games is the best then in your definition huh.... and call of duty :)

I will admit that I did love the shit out of the WII because of the extremely fun games and that especially goes with mario kart wii and wii sports. I won't deny the fact that I like call of duty too which is pretty decent.

I'm one of the few people who will not categorize dumb shit like "casual" or "hardcore" but a gamer is a gamer.


Yea the whole arguement is really dumb.  People use hardcore to replace Niche (Pikmin,Dark Souls,Catherine) and call things casual that are really just wide appeal (COD, Mario Kart).   Casual to me is things like Wii Sports,Kinect Sports,Wii Fit, Just Dance...basically just games that non-gamers are willing to pick up and play.   Good Luck finding some non-gamers to play COD with you.

It's thanks to COD that those non-gamers also came to the PS360.

Your underestimating CODs ability to create growth in gaming because COD ACTUALLY SELLS HARDWARE. 

COD sells hardware?? yes you are correct, Black Ops2 and Ghosts are doing wonders for Wii U sales.

People who buy Nintendo's avoid COD like the plague.   COD has almost the exact same attach rate on the PS4 and Xbone as the attach rate for Mario on the Wii U, yet Wii U is the Mario Box and PS4/Xbone are the multi-faseted, open world adventure, sports game, FPS,everything box.  If it was'nt for COD and GTA PS4 would'nt even exist due to how terrible Sonys 1st party games sell.  Microsoft lost so much money on Kinect R&D that they rebranded the new one as Kinect 2.0 and forced people to buy it.  These companies are on the brink of failure, meanwhile Nintendo sold so much 1st party software last gen that they have enough money to run for 30 years.



Article is written by a fanboy. Dat logic!



And yes that may seem really harsh but thats the business side reality of it all. Its the real reason why they charge us $60 a year for a subscription, because no one wants their 1st party titles.   Nintendo could charge too but they sell so much software that they don't need to ask for their customers for $60 a year.



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Somini said:
Article is written by a fanboy. Dat logic!

It's not praising PS4 and Xbox One to heaven and saying Wii U is doomed, therefore it's written by a fanboy?

Great logic, there.



superhippy420 said:

And yes that may seem really harsh but thats the business side reality of it all. Its the real reason why they charge us $60 a year for a subscription, because no one wants their 1st party titles.   Nintendo could charge too but they sell so much software that they don't need to ask for their customers for $60 a year.

I like your posts, you make a lot of sense. Nintendo have the best IPs in the business, no question, and im sure that a majority of their franchises arent expensive games to make (Zelda and Metroid aside). Most Ninty games are pretty much nailed on to sell a million plus, even on a small install base such as the Wii U. Thats why i believe Nintendo can acheive modest sales like the Gamecube and still thrive because their software is very profitable.

 



fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Hypocrite much ?! I couldn't care less about anyones opinion and I don't deem anyone's opinion to be worthless. What I do deem worthless is your flawed analysis so far. 

funny i feel the same about your analysis.

It sounds like you don't actually want nintendo to succeed. 

your analyisis is based off one console that broke all the rules for winning a console gen, it had last generation hardware, no online play and weak third party support, never in any generation has this happened before, you can't  seem to understand that the reason behind wii success was motion controls and wii sports, you also don't anybody trying to replicate it's success on nextgen consoles, not even nintendo, cause they know that market is finished on consoles.

Just because the WII is a phenomena among the gaming industry does not mean you can count it's success out. BTW if you think the way for nintendo to prosper is through gamecube or n64 they had much better 3rd party support compared to the WII and much more modern hardware and guess what? They both failed miserably in getting a relevant marketshare so these clearly isn't the console path to go towards.

If you want to know the real reason as to why the wii sold alot then you have to believe the "software sells hardware" mantra otherwise you will fail to understand why every other console had succeeded before it. Why did the PS1 sell ? Why did the PS2 sell ? Why did the SNES sell ? They had one thing all in common and it's the games whether 1st or 3rd party. The WII U was able to dominate with 1st party games. 

Yes motion controls was one of the reason the WII succeeded but it was NOT motion controls ALONE that propelled the WII it is today. It is the ultra good software that moves hardware. 

No one is trying to replicate it's success in the console space because nintendo keeps going back to making dumb gamecube esque games that nobody wants. Microsoft sure as hell isn't trying because kinect WAS THE ACTUAL FAD. We now know that microsoft truly don't care about the WII audience otherwise it would have sold much better if they gave relevant software to it. 

yea and nintendo has always made great software, i would say the N64 was easily the most revolutionary, for you to say that nintendo games on wii were so much better then then every generation of nintendo consoles and wiiu is just laughable, dude it's the motion controls that sold that sold the wii,even kinect which had inferior software and controls managed 30 million, so motion controls played a huge role that generation



fatslob-:O said:
Metallicube said:

Haha, funny how this was the argument us Nintendo fans used 4 years ago.. Looks as if Sony and Nintendo fans have swapped stances on this once again.. how times have changed

If you think I'm from some PS360 base then you need to take a look at my sig.

I'm pretty sure sony fans did the same after that whole PS1 and N64 situation. 

Off-Topic: You do agree with me that SALES = QUALITY, right ? 

I agree to an extent. A game must have done SOMETHING right for it to sell so much, though it doesn't always mean how fun a game or well made the game is necessarily. It could boil down to accesibility or a number of things. But quality is largely a subjective thing, especially when it comes to gaming, so it's a tough subject to tackle. In the cases of PS4 and Xbone currently, those consoles are selling largely based on hype and their games are riding the current wave of that. If Knack came out on the 7 year old PS3 for instance, I doubt it would have outsold Mario 3D World in the UK..



The PS3 is winning the gaming industry, it has a better library of games than any other console.