colafitte said: OK, now i get it what my numbers were so confusing, I wasn't counting correctly the vgchartz weeks, i was counting weeks since launch. If VGC is counting 1'5 million Xbox One until 30 november, and if VGC shows 1'8-1'9 million until 7 December..., VGC will be spot on, and this is the week i was considering 2nd week (3rd week for VGC). My 2'2 million figure will be for the 4th VGC week (14 December). By then PS4 could be above 3 million. So nothing changed after all...ufff i was making me crazy with this numbers!!

I guessed you are just confusing the weeks

Erm.

That seems pretty straight forward to me. You simply said PS4 did 2.1 Million in the first 10 days which is false.

2.1 Million in 18 days for PS4 vs 2 Million in 18 days for Xbox One. Neck and neck on supply.

The "never" part was in reference to you saying he gets away with everything he does. kow has one of the longest mod histories on the site...

Just to correct you.

2.1m for PS4 is:

15 days for 2 countries: ~1.4m
2 days for 31 countries: ~700k

2.0m for Xbone is:

18 days for 13 countries

Where did you get 18 days for PS4?

Why dont you give it a rest?

He clearly made a mistake.

just for the sake of accuracy those 2.1m ps4 sold were as of december 1st, not december 3rd

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/3/5169646/sony-announces-november-ps4-sales

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-12-03-ps4-sells-over-2-1-million-worldwide

nonsense, cboat has the most bitter hate imaginable for xbox and it shines through every post he makes. as does many of the posters on neogaf to be fair.

he said for months and months that xbox was suffering horrendous yield problems, the forum and even the wider internet to some extent took it as truth, it turned out to be a complete lie and fabrication, just as microsoft said all along.

oh well, at least i hope everybody realizes guys like cboat have zero credibility when it comes to bashing xbox in particular going forward, that's the only positive to come out of them being exposed so many times in recent weeks.

the ps3 bashing was never anything close to xbox bashing at any point. i was on neogaf in 2006. i would venture to say the majority defended ps3 in that time if anything, this idea ps3 was harrased in 2005-2006 isn't really true. it took some lumps but the scale was so much less.

i dont really think ms can sue a forum or a forum user for libel in this case, but the neogaf stuff was so egregious it almost becomes something to think about.

Judging by the sheer amount of posts here, I can only imagine there were debates about this? Like are there people here trying to downplay this??

Because I for one am continually being surprised by this positive news. Globally, I know PS4 is winning, but I expected X1 to be a bomb with all the negative public opinion and $100 price difference.

So this makes me happy to hear, especially since it means well take 2nd place by next holiday :)

What it seems too, is that 1st and 2nd week aligned sales Xbox One was better than PS4 (Xbox One 1'5 mill > PS4 1'2 mill), but after European launch, PS4 is now 1st (aligned sales).

What is obvious too, is despite PS4 launch a week earlier than Xbox one in NA, Sony just sent stock for 2 weeks for November, just like Xbox one. The 2nd one was a waste to have ps4 launch a week ealier and don't coincide with Xbox One NA launch.

So the figure of 18 days for 2'1 million for PS4 is very tricky, and not just because European sales were 14 days later...

During the first 10 days PS4 was not even released in EU, so a normal person would know what i mean.

But given i'm irritating you, it doesn't surprise me that you're not seeing things clearly.

Kowen having on the longest mod histories on the site says enough about him. However it doesn't disapprove what i said.

No, just people trying to downplay the PS4 performance with wrong comparisons