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Wii U is just too late.
All wii owners migrate to ps360 in 2010, 2011, 2012...
If wii U was released in 2010, and nintendo say that it was a 7 gen console, it could get all wii public instead of ps360.
But it is a very good console, who owns a wii U knows it.



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shikamaru317 said:
curl-6 said:
Japan sales are not the key factor, US sales are.


US sales aren't looking like they're going to be very high either. SM3DW has already fallen to 14th place on Amazon's hourly bestsellers chart, and hasn't yet entered the 2013 Bestsellers chart (while Dead Rising 3, which released on the same day, has entered the chart at 98th place).  

Each minute it passes, the worse news are.



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shikamaru317 said:
curl-6 said:
Japan sales are not the key factor, US sales are.


US sales aren't looking like they're going to be very high either. SM3DW has already fallen to 14th place on Amazon's hourly bestseller chart, and hasn't yet entered the 2013 Bestseller chart (while Dead Rising 3, which released on the same day, has entered the chart at 98th place).  

US sales will be better than Japan sales.



RolStoppable said:
gmcmen said:

i find this very funny, especially about nintendo looking tot he wii, you guys think its that easy to come with something like that, that kinda of thing happens once in a lifetime, its not easy to reproduce, they tried with the wiiu, the gamepad could have been the next big thing but it wasn't thats just how these thing usually play out, i'm sure nintendo would to make something successful like the montions conrols device on the wii buts its just not that easy.

Nintendo already pulled it off twice, so saying that such things happen once in a lifetime is uninformed. Besides, the Wii's success isn't defined by its controller alone, just like the NES's success wasn't.

Also, with Sony, Microsoft and third parties all pushing into a direction that could be summed up as "dudebro gaming", it is actually easier for Nintendo to offer a successful alternative. Gaming is much broader than M-rating, licensed sports games and racers, so it's not like there's nowhere to go for Nintendo.


Exactly what market do you think is left over?

The Wii U is defined by cheerful platformers, party games, kids properties, and dance/fitness/singing games over dudebros. titles, it's still not gaining any traction. 



What is wrong with you?



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RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Exactly what market do you think is left over?

The Wii U is defined by cheerful platformers, party games, kids properties, and dance/fitness/singing games over dudebros. titles, it's still not gaining any traction. 

Did you already forget that the Wii U is a piece of trash and thus an obstacle? Hm... was it you who said in this very thread that the Wii U is a decent system?


Not every system that sells like dog poop is objectively an awful system. 

The Wii U is probably top to bottom a better quality exprience than the Wii was at the same age. The online is better, the leap in graphics is the first for a Nintendo console since the N64 to GameCube 12 (!) years ago and its incredibly eye pleasing and refreshing. Miiverse is OK. 3D World holds up well against Galaxy and Nintendo Land is probably the best "mini-game" compilation that Nintendo's ever done. NSMBU, Pikmin 3, LEGO City, W101, Zelda: WW, Rayman Legends, are all solid titles too. 

Multiplats are alright if you don't have a PS3/360, Assassin's Creed IV looks just fine, so does Call of Duty, so does Dues Ex and Batman. Even with third party games the Wii U for now holds its own against the PS4/XB1, and while that probably won't hold forever, it's a nice improvement from the "holy crap, did Resident Evil 4 always look this bad?" feeling I got when I first booted up RE4 on the Wii using an HDTV set. Dat low-res brown/muddy look ... oh my. 

The Vita is a good system too. So was the Dreamcast. 

They're all marketing/design failures that are mismanaged by bad management and a lack of vision though, which is a different story. 



Soundwave said:
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Exactly what market do you think is left over?

The Wii U is defined by cheerful platformers, party games, kids properties, and dance/fitness/singing games over dudebros. titles, it's still not gaining any traction. 

Did you already forget that the Wii U is a piece of trash and thus an obstacle? Hm... was it you who said in this very thread that the Wii U is a decent system?


Not every system that sells like dog poop is objectively an awful system. 

The Wii U is probably top to bottom a better quality exprience than the Wii was at the same age. The online is better, the leap in graphics is the first for a Nintendo console since the N64 to GameCube 12 (!) years ago and its incredibly eye pleasing and refreshing. Miiverse is OK. 3D World holds up well against Galaxy and Nintendo Land is probably the best "mini-game" compilation that Nintendo's ever done. NSMBU, Pikmin 3, LEGO City, W101, Zelda: WW, Rayman Legends, are all solid titles too. 

Multiplats are alright if you don't have a PS3/360, Assassin's Creed IV looks just fine, so does Call of Duty, so does Dues Ex and Batman. 

The Vita is a good system too. So was the Dreamcast. 

They're all marketing/design failures that are mismanaged by bad management and a lack of vision though, which is a different story. 

This is what I meant when I said you were wrong Rol.



RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Not every system that sells like dog poop is objectively an awful system. 

The Wii U is probably top to bottom a better quality exprience than the Wii was at the same age. The online is better, the leap in graphics is the first for a Nintendo console since the N64 to GameCube 12 (!) years ago and its incredibly eye pleasing and refreshing. Miiverse is OK. 3D World holds up well against Galaxy and Nintendo Land is probably the best "mini-game" compilation that Nintendo's ever done. NSMBU, Pikmin 3, LEGO City, W101, Zelda: WW, Rayman Legends, are all solid titles too. 

Multiplats are alright if you don't have a PS3/360, Assassin's Creed IV looks just fine, so does Call of Duty, so does Dues Ex and Batman. Even with third party games the Wii U for now holds its own against the PS4/XB1, and while that probably won't hold forever, it's a nice improvement from the "holy crap, did Resident Evil 4 always look this bad?" feeling I got when I first booted up RE4 on the Wii using an HDTV set. Dat low-res brown/muddy look ... oh my. 

The Vita is a good system too. So was the Dreamcast. 

They're all marketing/design failures that are mismanaged by bad management and a lack of vision though, which is a different story. 

Those three systems may be good in the eyes of their niche, but all of them were meant to succeed on a broader scale. Lack of vision leads to bad design decisions, and bad design decisions lead to systems that are not perceived as being worth their money. I don't consider that a different issue, rather it's the root cause that leads to the failure in the first place. Bad management makes things worse, but lack of vision or a bad vision will inevitably lead to notable problems regardless of the quality of management/execution.


To be fair, Nintendo is in kind of a bad spot here. Because they kind of exclude themselves from competing for the hardcore gamer, convincing everyone else they *need* a dedicated home game console (or worse a *second* or third console) is always going to be tough, and with kids, you end up losing a lot of them by age 11/12 because they become obsessed with being "cool" and wanting to play the same games their older brother/cousin is playing. 

The fact, home consoles are best suited for people who want to play on their big screen TV for 5-10+ hours a week at the very least and want to purchase a large number of games. 

And the people that have that kind of free time, disposable income, and desire to invest that much time/money into games are males age 16-32 years old. And I just don't think that's changing ever. 

Games simply aren't movies, a movie is over in 2 hours and doesn't require anything but your attention. Women are always going to be an elusive audience for games, simply because they're smarter than men (lol) to not spend 10-50 hours playing a video game.



"The Wii U is a piece of trash. NSMBU didn't fail, it's that the system itself is so ill-conceived that it has no long term future, regardless of what games Nintendo releases for it."

RolStoppable said:
superchunk said:
Let's wait for January.

Or better yet, let's wait until Electronic Arts announces their return to Wii U game development.

Now that's just cruel.

gmcmen said:

i find this very funny, especially about nintendo looking tot he wii, you guys think its that easy to come with something like that, that kinda of thing happens once in a lifetime, its not easy to reproduce, they tried with the wiiu, the gamepad could have been the next big thing

Suffice it to say I would have been completely dumbfounded were that the case. I, and many others in this thread, instead expected from the beginning that it would drag down the system. To date, we've been vindicated. Actually, the system's doing even worse than I expected, which is saying something!

gmcmen said:

nes was just the first traditional console,


This is not even remotely true. There were two generations of consoles before it.



Lets be honest, if they release more games like this, everyone is gonna have to eat crow and get the Wii U.

Add to this a good X, mario Kart 8, Smash brothers, Zelda U and theres really no way anyone in their perfect mind wont want a Wii U. Wether it has a tablet controller or not makes little difference, though a redesign would definitly help (make the thing smaller Nintendo).

Of course, its not gonna outsell the PS4, but i believe the X1 is still game.