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ethomaz on 07 November 2013

DirtyP2002 said:

Yes, ethomaz you are right. 
MS lost 2.5 billion on the Xbox 360 / Xbox One in the past 3 months, but they are more or less +/- 0, because of Android.

Sony lost 2.5 billion on the PS4, but are more or less +/- 0. because the PS3 is so freaking profitable...

Sony are posting PS4 R&D since Q3 2012.



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DirtyP2002 on 07 November 2013
ethomaz said:

Seece said:

"news" you mean one opinion? That doesn't even specifically say "360 isn't profitable" you're seeing what you want to see. I don't know how you could argue with a straight face tha 360 hardware after all these years confirmed to be profitable and with two revisions is losing money, and even in the bizzare scenario it was, that live and software sales wernt making up for the cost.

There is no point further discussuing this, you know what you want to believe and it doesn't matter what is put in front of you. I can well believe Xbox One is causing some damage but suggesting after all these years 360 still isn't profitable, that's a joke.

You can believe what you want but dozen of new about non-profiable and shared holders trying to sell the Xbox divisin was found in the internet.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/01/20/sell-microsoft-now-game-over-ballmer-loses/

"And Microsoft makes nothing from its xBox/Kinect entertainment division"

Five seconds on google. 

Oh a Forbes blog post asking "Is it too late for the company?" in the title.
10 months later MS reported their best Q ever.

But what are facts when you have blogposts?



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Seece on 07 November 2013
ethomaz said:

Seece said:

"news" you mean one opinion? That doesn't even specifically say "360 isn't profitable" you're seeing what you want to see. I don't know how you could argue with a straight face tha 360 hardware after all these years confirmed to be profitable and with two revisions is losing money, and even in the bizzare scenario it was, that live and software sales wernt making up for the cost.

There is no point further discussuing this, you know what you want to believe and it doesn't matter what is put in front of you. I can well believe Xbox One is causing some damage but suggesting after all these years 360 still isn't profitable, that's a joke.

You can believe what you want but dozen of new about non-profiable and shared holders trying to sell the Xbox divisin was found in the internet.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/01/20/sell-microsoft-now-game-over-ballmer-loses/

"And Microsoft makes nothing from its xBox/Kinect entertainment division"

Five seconds on google. 

Ha, exactly proving my point. MS DO make money in the E&D it's on their balance sheet. If he said "Xbox doesn't make money" then he'd have to have inside information, but that's better than saying the E&D doesn't make money, because that's easily proven false.

Whyd on't you post that whole paragraph?

Microsoft makes more than 75% of its profits from Windows and Office.  Less than 25% comes from its vaunted servers and tools.  And Microsoft makes nothing from its xBox/Kinect entertainment division, while losing vast sums in its on-line division (negative $350M-$750M/quarter).

The guy is talking about which divisions make what and he's doing a shit job of it.

Then again he's a forbes contributor, just like where the majority of these "xbox loss" articles suspiciously come from. Next time I see another article I can flat out prove is lying from a contribuitor (won't be long) I'll post it to you so you stop taking their word as gospel.



 

J_Allard on 07 November 2013

When even SonyGAF is saying this is a load of bull, you know it's a load of bull.



DirtyP2002 on 07 November 2013
ethomaz said:

DirtyP2002 said:

Yes, ethomaz you are right. 
MS lost 2.5 billion on the Xbox 360 / Xbox One in the past 3 months, but they are more or less +/- 0, because of Android.

Sony lost 2.5 billion on the PS4, but are more or less +/- 0. because the PS3 is so freaking profitable...

Sony are posting PS4 R&D since Q3 2012.


To quote you again: "He is talking about the last quarter? If so I believe it is true..."

So you think MS paid 2.5 billion USD in a Q, because R&D is done in 3 months at MS?
And at the same time Sony is doing PS4 R&D for a year.

Is that what you are saying?



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Seece on 07 November 2013
J_Allard said:
When even SonyGAF is saying this is a load of bull, you know it's a load of bull.

Some people are desperate for this to be true.

Reminds me today of the belibers on twitter. (Got caught in bed with a brazilian prossy) and the belibers are saying "BUT HE IS WEARING A VEST THEREFORE HE DIDN'T HAVE SEX WITH HER"

:D :D :D



 

ethomaz on 07 November 2013

DirtyP2002 said:

To quote you again: "He is talking about the last quarter? If so I believe it is true..."

So you think MS paid 2.5 billion USD in a Q, because R&D is done in 3 months at MS?
And at the same time Sony is doing PS4 R&D for a year.

Is that what you are saying?

If he is talking about MS posting all the R&D and marketing in a unique quarter... I belive it is true... I hold my words.

MS is not that transparent about that.



NiKKoM on 07 November 2013

it doesn't even makes sense when Surface 1 lost 900million dollar last quarter in that division..



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!) 

DirtyP2002 on 07 November 2013
ethomaz said:

DirtyP2002 said:

To quote you again: "He is talking about the last quarter? If so I believe it is true..."

So you think MS paid 2.5 billion USD in a Q, because R&D is done in 3 months at MS?
And at the same time Sony is doing PS4 R&D for a year.

Is that what you are saying?

If he is talking about MS posting all the R&D and marketing in a unique quarter... I belive it is true... I hold my words.

MS is not that transparent about that.


But when MS post all their R&D (2.5 billion according to you) in one Q and the Android patent royalties are spread over 4 Qs (4 x 625 Million [more or less with Q4 being higher due to holiday season, but you get the idea]), why isn't there a huge loss for the EDD in this one Q? Like 1.8 billion USD loss or something?

 



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Seece on 07 November 2013
DirtyP2002 said:
ethomaz said:

DirtyP2002 said:

To quote you again: "He is talking about the last quarter? If so I believe it is true..."

So you think MS paid 2.5 billion USD in a Q, because R&D is done in 3 months at MS?
And at the same time Sony is doing PS4 R&D for a year.

Is that what you are saying?

If he is talking about MS posting all the R&D and marketing in a unique quarter... I belive it is true... I hold my words.

MS is not that transparent about that.


But when MS post all their R&D (2.5 billion according to you) in one Q and the Android patent royalties are spread over 4 Qs (4 x 625 Million [more or less with Q4 being higher due to holiday season, but you get the idea]), why isn't there a huge loss for the EDD in this one Q? Like 1.8 billion USD loss or something?

 

Not to mention MS has been getting Android patent $$$ for a lot longer than this year.

You're wasting your time.