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@Kaizar,

See, I think the 3D actually ruins the image. It's like flat 3D to me and I highly dislike it. Basically I am not impressed by the 3D in the slightest and the fact that because of the 3D the screen resolution and the power in the machine has to suffer makes it a liability in my eyes. Much like the dual screens are a distraction for me and also wreck an otherwise good machine. I would have been perfectly happy with my DS (though it couldn't have been called the DS, heh) and would have bought the 'DS2' if it had not been for the second screen and the 3D. Much like the XBONE and its kinnect, making it perhaps $100 more expensive out of the gate than it had to be, for a peripheral I will not ever use.

"Best RPGs past & present, the 3DS has Tales of the Abyss 3D & Project X Zone & Code of Princes & Paper Mario Sticker Star & King of Pirates (trilogy) & Kingdom Hearts 3D & Dillon's Rolling Western 1 and 2 & Bravely Default & Beyond the Labyrinth & etc."

That's, like, just your opinion man. I don't agree at all. Not withstanding the simple fact that one of those games can be had elsewhere, in a better manner, again IMO. Tales of the Abyss specifically is better on the PS2.

"240p 3D > 4K HD 2D > 1080p 2D > 720p 2D > 540p 2D
Just had to clear those things up."

Again entirely your opinion. I wholeheartedly disagree, and I am not the only one. I daresay that there is also a portion of 3DS owners, I'm not going to be asinine to say I know what proportion, bought it not at all because of the 3D but because they want the games it could offer. In other words they would probably have bought it with or without the 3D.



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Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
See 3D is the only thing I think a handheld can use to compete image wise with next gen consoles when we got to full Virtual Reality. Otherwise everything looks too flat.


I look at the 3D on the 3DS and it still looks flat to me. It's akin to those lame 3D cards that you can look at that have a 3D image in it if you move it around in your field of vision. I know its not the same lameness, but its still lame to me.



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Kaizar said:
@dharh

Modern screen, the PS Vital has 540p resolution screen while the 3DS has a Glasses-free 3D screen which OS only in 4K HD TVs.

Best RPGs past & present, the 3DS has Tales of the Abyss 3D & Project X Zone & Code of Princes & Paper Mario Sticker Star & King of Pirates (trilogy) & Kingdom Hearts 3D & Dillon's Rolling Western 1 and 2 & Bravely Default & Beyond the Labyrinth & etc.

And Netflix & Hulu Plus streams 3D movies, Pacific Rim anyone. And full digital 3D movies to download are coming to the eShop. Don't forget the 3D camera to record 3D videos and take 3D photos with way more post processing of the images then the Vital can do, because they both got underclock CPUs, but clearly one is undercloc lower the the other as shown in post processing of their cameras images. And Batman Arkham Origins Blackgate does more then 130 million polygons in Vertex Performence on both Handhelds (both 3DS & Vital seperate versions). And there's this:

240p 3D > 4K HD 2D > 1080p 2D > 720p 2D > 540p 2D
Just had to clear those things up.


You REALLY need stop with these asinine posts. Honestly I feel like I lose brain cells when I read one of your posts. All your doing is making yourself look like a complete fool plus you add nothing sensible to the discussion.



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dharh said:
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
See 3D is the only thing I think a handheld can use to compete image wise with next gen consoles when we got to full Virtual Reality. Otherwise everything looks too flat.


I look at the 3D on the 3DS and it still looks flat to me. It's akin to those lame 3D cards that you can look at that have a 3D image in it if you move it around in your field of vision. I know its not the same lameness, but its still lame to me.

You should watch the RED Bull 3D things on the NIntendo video app or the the MR Download videos

The landscapes and stuff pull up out the image and the depth perception helps you make out the details

A higher res scree+ 3D is going to be awesome. I play my PC games in 3D and they look fantastic.

You're eyes adjust to it in some strange way after some time so its not as prominent



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
dharh said:


I look at the 3D on the 3DS and it still looks flat to me. It's akin to those lame 3D cards that you can look at that have a 3D image in it if you move it around in your field of vision. I know its not the same lameness, but its still lame to me.

You should watch the RED Bull 3D things on the NIntendo video app or the the MR Download videos

The landscapes and stuff pull up out the image and the depth perception helps you make out the details

A higher res scree+ 3D is going to be awesome. I play my PC games in 3D and they look fantastic.

You're eyes adjust to it in some strange way after some time so its not as prominent

I'll take your word on the higher res 3D screens. What I see now with the 3DS is very janky pixilated flat 3D. I'm not going to invest my eyes just to get used to it. Maybe in the future if they drop the 2nd screen and bring us a higher resolution single screen handheld it will work for me, but until then its going to always be a no go for me.



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Well I really dont know what you're seeing but it looks fine. Its really just how the devs code the 3D image, some of its better some of its not. Your eyes tend to see less of the pop out and more of the depth after spending more time with the 3DS, for instance with the load screen ( where the squares pop out in the sides) that's one instance where the 3D seems less pronounced

As for Dual Screens, making it one screen wouldnt help with the resolution, lol.



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Well I really dont know what you're seeing but it looks fine. Its really just how the devs code the 3D image, some of its better some of its not. Your eyes tend to see less of the pop out and more of the depth after spending more time with the 3DS, for instance with the load screen ( where the squares pop out in the sides) that's one instance where the 3D seems less pronounced

As for Dual Screens, making it one screen wouldnt help with the resolution, lol.

Not withstanding the flat factor I see vs other people seeing a pop out, I have to say I have never been all that impressed with any 3D tech I have ever seen. 3D glasses movie stuff, nor quasi holographic style stuff, nor the high end PC/TV 3D. It just doesn't do it for me. Considering that the most advanced 3D tech doesn't wow me, the 3DS 3D tech is even more blah. I am waiting for true direct in my brain VR. Until then ill continue to prefer higher 2D image quality over what I see as quasi 3rd dimention stuff.

Not having dual screens could help with costs thus it would be possible for a higher res single screen for the same price, is all im saying. But honestly, id still settle for a single screen of the _same_ resolution as the primary 3DS screen. I dislike 2 screens that much.



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Does it really bother you? I prefer the screen real estate in other manner.

I tend to only focus one one screen at a time or let my peripheral vision do the work

I like the 3DS 3D because I doesnt require the janky 3D glasses shit and it looks good



dharh said:
irstupid said:
MikeRox said:


Well, unless you subscribe to the whole a Ford Fiesta is clearly a better vehicle than a Ferarri Enzo or a Bentley because it's sold more, yes. I guess Economy Class on a flight is also better than Business for First because they sell more Economy tickets...

Sales don't change anything about the hardware/design. Apart from when successive revisions are gimped to cut costs and you end up with the abomination that is the Wii Mini and the revised Vita model :(

The best TVs you can buy certainly come nowhere near close to matching the sales of the best selling TVs.

Bad analogy when talking consoles.

Too many people think consoles themselves are the Fiesta or Ferarri.  That is not how it is. 

IT'S THE GAMES.

Lets use your TV example.  Lets say I have a time machine and go 100 years into the future and bring back the top of the line tv from that time period.  Hardware wise it woudl run circles around any tv in todays world, BUT it probably can't watch a single channel or play any games or watch a single movie.  So what good is it?  It's basically just a fancy decoration on the wall.  Or whatever tv's are like in future.  But I doubt you could just plug your PS4 into it, most likely uncompattable cables, same for caple tv or whatever.

That's how you should look at a gaming console.  Doesn't matter how technically amazing a console mafy be, if it doesn't do what it's meant to do "PLAY GAMES" then its just an expensive decoration.

Now the Vita has 6 million consumers, so obviously some people think its more than a decoration.  But at the moment the general consensus, which sales show, is that the 3DS is the BETTER console.

This IMO is more correct view. The games themselves are the Ferarri or the Fiesta or whatever metaphor you want to use that satisfies your comparison of premium vs cheap.

When I look at a certain consoles to see whether it is worth a buy I look at the games it offers and can offer. The experience I will have with the system, the types of games, how many of those games there are, how good they are, how good they _look_ (even though that is an umpopular opinion around here sometimes), etc.

Even so, based on past records ill even buy a consoles before it has proven itself, case in point the Wii and the DS, which in hindsight were rather poor purchases for me because they were utterly lacking in fun most of the time because of my tastes. Contrast that to the PS3 which I bought, if memory serves, 1-2 years later than the Wii, and within the first few months of owning that system, because I had waited to purchase it after knowing full well the games it already had, I was able to enjoy it far more than the entire time I had already owned my Wii.

Contrast that with the current gens both console and handheld. Ill go with the handheld side, since its the exaple in the post I've quoted. I'm one of those 6 million who prefer the PSV. Simply because the 3DS does not offer what I want. I wanted the single screen, dual analog, modern screen, handheld with both past and present RPGs. I simply cannot get that experience with the 3DS. It matters little that the PSV is the more expensive technically more robust device. It matters that it offers exactly what I want, which are Ferarri games.


Point missed entirely.

 

I wasn't calling Vita Ferrari. I was using that to demonstrate that sales do not directly correlate to quality.

 

Also software is irrelevant rating the design/quality of hardware. You don't need to go into the future re the TV thing. Look at 4K. You instant argument is a 1080p set is better because there is more 1080p content. However content does not impact the quality of the product merely the ability to enjoy it.

 

Of course for sales a product also needs the software to show it off or more in the 3DS's case the bigger  branded software to drive the sales. But better games don't make a lower resolution screen and inferior hardware better designed. Just more mass market.

 

Its great that you love your 3DS but owning both platforms its clear to me which is the better actual system and if every 3DS game came out on Vita pretty much every 3DS title would be redundant.

 

So no, the software is irrelevant when judging the physical quality of the consoles. Just to provide weight to my view point because were clearly using different parameters. The GCN and Xbox were better products than the PS2 IMO. It was other factors which led to the PS2's success. Just as with 3DS.



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