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koffieboon on 06 May 2007
Avinash_Tyagi said:

Actually in the reference to the 29 million Wii games they comment that its purchased by consumers not stores, they say that the 29 million consoles were purchased along with the 5.84 million Wii consoles

In addition, in less than five months since introduction, the company sold 5.84 million of its new Wii(TM) home video game systems globally, virtually every one snapped up immediately by consumers, along with nearly 29 million Wii games.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/nintendo_cleans_up_in_its_fiscal_year_results.html

 



 The "being snapped up immediately by customers" refers to the Wii console itself, not the Wii games mentioned after it. 



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Avinash_Tyagi on 06 May 2007
koffieboon said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

Actually in the reference to the 29 million Wii games they comment that its purchased by consumers not stores, they say that the 29 million consoles were purchased along with the 5.84 million Wii consoles

In addition, in less than five months since introduction, the company sold 5.84 million of its new Wii(TM) home video game systems globally, virtually every one snapped up immediately by consumers, along with nearly 29 million Wii games.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/nintendo_cleans_up_in_its_fiscal_year_results.html

 



 The "being snapped up immediately by customers" refers to the Wii console itself, not the Wii games mentioned after it. 


 But by having a comma and along indicates that the games were also sold to consumers, not retailers, and then the Palgn article also indicates the same thing

 

So 29m in sales but NOT to consumers as you quoted? Very interesting.

 

Nope the wording of the report indicates that the games were sold to consumers as well, if you don't believe me then show me the real WW software sales for the Wii



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

mrstickball on 07 May 2007

Again. I just showed you that including Wii Sports on US sales, the Wii has sold just below 16,000,000 software titles on the majority of the systems (around 4.7m units) between Japan and the US/NA. Nintendo was already quoted as giving Europe and other areas around 1.9m units. So we have 1.9m official units as of late March in which Nintendo (as you are stating) has sold 13m units on. Now, answer me: did 13m units of software sell on 1.9m units? We have the NPD data to confirm US sales, we have Famitsu/MC data to confirm J-sales of the games, which again, add upto 16m units (or less). Those 16m units INCLUDE sales since April (to which Nintendo hasn't counted), so it could be anywhere from 1-2m units less. So we have anywhere from 13-15m units of software that is unaccounted for, to goto a region where only 1.6~1.9m hardware units sold.

The 29M sold software figure is indeed mentioned by Nintendo, however these are the numbers sold by Nintendo, not the number of sales to consumers.
Now, that would make me assume (the article was cited in this quote), that the 29m unit figure is the number of sold software to retailers, and not consumers (meaning around 5-10m s/w units are unsold in the 3 territories)



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Avinash_Tyagi on 07 May 2007
mrstickball said:
Again. I just showed you that including Wii Sports on US sales, the Wii has sold just below 16,000,000 software titles on the majority of the systems (around 4.7m units) between Japan and the US/NA. Nintendo was already quoted as giving Europe and other areas around 1.9m units. So we have 1.9m official units as of late March in which Nintendo (as you are stating) has sold 13m units on. Now, answer me: did 13m units of software sell on 1.9m units? We have the NPD data to confirm US sales, we have Famitsu/MC data to confirm J-sales of the games, which again, add upto 16m units (or less). Those 16m units INCLUDE sales since April (to which Nintendo hasn't counted), so it could be anywhere from 1-2m units less. So we have anywhere from 13-15m units of software that is unaccounted for, to goto a region where only 1.6~1.9m hardware units sold.
The 29M sold software figure is indeed mentioned by Nintendo, however these are the numbers sold by Nintendo, not the number of sales to consumers.
Now, that would make me assume (the article was cited in this quote), that the 29m unit figure is the number of sold software to retailers, and not consumers (meaning around 5-10m s/w units are unsold in the 3 territories)

 

That quote you reference was written by koffieboon, and wasn't from any of the articles, that was his comment that he believed it was referring to retailers and not consumers.

 

As to your other point you have NPD and Media create/Famitsu data, so yeah you have the US and Japan tracking service data, but there are still quite a few territories not covered by those tracking services, Europe, the rest of America and Austrailia, now i'm not saying that equals 13 million, but you haven't shown me yet the data that says that its less, like I said, show me the proof that its not, that's all i'm waiting for, some evidence that you have the real WW software and the real attach rates



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

mrstickball on 07 May 2007

...And I can't show actual attach rates and sales for Europe and other markets because there simply is no data out there to aquire. But for all intents and purposes: Can you explain where the remaining software units are? I can't. The only data outside of VGcharts and other public domains is from Nintendo's 12:31:06 release on tier ratios: Total Japan US Other Wii-Console 3.19 1.14 1.25 0.80 Wii-Game 17.51 4.33 9.02 4.16 Tie-Ratio 5.5 3.8 7.2 5.2 Now, we know from NPD data that the Wii sold somewhere near 7m s/w units in November/December. The J-numbers could be/probably are accurate. The "other" data is the only data we really have. If Nintendo doubled their sales there (which I believe they did according to their last report), then we could assume, at best, the games sold would be at max, 8.5m units. Still, 10.2m US sales via NPD + 5.5m MC/Famitsu + extrapolated 8.5m from Europe (12:31 data x 2, which is generous) we still get under 25m software units. This again, leads me to believe that Nintendo is either including something such as VC titles, or shipped titles. I don't think VGCharts is inaccurate enough to misconstrute the NPD and their own homebrew data to give such an amazing discrepancy vs. Nintendo. So there are my arguments, where are yours?



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koffieboon on 07 May 2007
Avinash_Tyagi said:
mrstickball said:
Again. I just showed you that including Wii Sports on US sales, the Wii has sold just below 16,000,000 software titles on the majority of the systems (around 4.7m units) between Japan and the US/NA. Nintendo was already quoted as giving Europe and other areas around 1.9m units. So we have 1.9m official units as of late March in which Nintendo (as you are stating) has sold 13m units on. Now, answer me: did 13m units of software sell on 1.9m units? We have the NPD data to confirm US sales, we have Famitsu/MC data to confirm J-sales of the games, which again, add upto 16m units (or less). Those 16m units INCLUDE sales since April (to which Nintendo hasn't counted), so it could be anywhere from 1-2m units less. So we have anywhere from 13-15m units of software that is unaccounted for, to goto a region where only 1.6~1.9m hardware units sold.
The 29M sold software figure is indeed mentioned by Nintendo, however these are the numbers sold by Nintendo, not the number of sales to consumers.
Now, that would make me assume (the article was cited in this quote), that the 29m unit figure is the number of sold software to retailers, and not consumers (meaning around 5-10m s/w units are unsold in the 3 territories)

 

That quote you reference was written by koffieboon, and wasn't from any of the articles, that was his comment that he believed it was referring to retailers and not consumers.

 

As to your other point you have NPD and Media create/Famitsu data, so yeah you have the US and Japan tracking service data, but there are still quite a few territories not covered by those tracking services, Europe, the rest of America and Austrailia, now i'm not saying that equals 13 million, but you haven't shown me yet the data that says that its less, like I said, show me the proof that its not, that's all i'm waiting for, some evidence that you have the real WW software and the real attach rates


I already provided a breakthrough of the 29M to the 3 regions, it's 14.5M for the Americas, 6.1M for Japan and 8.2M for the other regions. So it is impossible that 13M is sold in the other region since Nintendo only shipped 8.2M units of software to that region. Anyway, NPD data and Media Create don't get close to 14.5M and 6.1M at the end of march, so to me it is clear those are shipped numbers. 



Avinash_Tyagi on 07 May 2007
koffieboon said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
mrstickball said:
Again. I just showed you that including Wii Sports on US sales, the Wii has sold just below 16,000,000 software titles on the majority of the systems (around 4.7m units) between Japan and the US/NA. Nintendo was already quoted as giving Europe and other areas around 1.9m units. So we have 1.9m official units as of late March in which Nintendo (as you are stating) has sold 13m units on. Now, answer me: did 13m units of software sell on 1.9m units? We have the NPD data to confirm US sales, we have Famitsu/MC data to confirm J-sales of the games, which again, add upto 16m units (or less). Those 16m units INCLUDE sales since April (to which Nintendo hasn't counted), so it could be anywhere from 1-2m units less. So we have anywhere from 13-15m units of software that is unaccounted for, to goto a region where only 1.6~1.9m hardware units sold.
The 29M sold software figure is indeed mentioned by Nintendo, however these are the numbers sold by Nintendo, not the number of sales to consumers.
Now, that would make me assume (the article was cited in this quote), that the 29m unit figure is the number of sold software to retailers, and not consumers (meaning around 5-10m s/w units are unsold in the 3 territories)

 

That quote you reference was written by koffieboon, and wasn't from any of the articles, that was his comment that he believed it was referring to retailers and not consumers.

 

As to your other point you have NPD and Media create/Famitsu data, so yeah you have the US and Japan tracking service data, but there are still quite a few territories not covered by those tracking services, Europe, the rest of America and Austrailia, now i'm not saying that equals 13 million, but you haven't shown me yet the data that says that its less, like I said, show me the proof that its not, that's all i'm waiting for, some evidence that you have the real WW software and the real attach rates


I already provided a breakthrough of the 29M to the 3 regions, it's 14.5M for the Americas, 6.1M for Japan and 8.2M for the other regions. So it is impossible that 13M is sold in the other region since Nintendo only shipped 8.2M units of software to that region. Anyway, NPD data and Media Create don't get close to 14.5M and 6.1M at the end of march, so to me it is clear those are shipped numbers. 


 NPD is only US, no all of America, and Media create has Wii software sales well over 5 million, so there is no certainty that those are only shipped, i'm not saying that it isn't just shipped but like I said I want to be shown hard proof, not just speculation , basically I want one of you guys to show the total WW Wii software sales and attach rate, so far I haven't seen it.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 07 May 2007
mrstickball said:
...And I can't show actual attach rates and sales for Europe and other markets because there simply is no data out there to aquire. But for all intents and purposes: Can you explain where the remaining software units are? I can't. The only data outside of VGcharts and other public domains is from Nintendo's 12:31:06 release on tier ratios: Total Japan US Other Wii-Console 3.19 1.14 1.25 0.80 Wii-Game 17.51 4.33 9.02 4.16 Tie-Ratio 5.5 3.8 7.2 5.2 Now, we know from NPD data that the Wii sold somewhere near 7m s/w units in November/December. The J-numbers could be/probably are accurate. The "other" data is the only data we really have. If Nintendo doubled their sales there (which I believe they did according to their last report), then we could assume, at best, the games sold would be at max, 8.5m units. Still, 10.2m US sales via NPD + 5.5m MC/Famitsu + extrapolated 8.5m from Europe (12:31 data x 2, which is generous) we still get under 25m software units. This again, leads me to believe that Nintendo is either including something such as VC titles, or shipped titles. I don't think VGCharts is inaccurate enough to misconstrute the NPD and their own homebrew data to give such an amazing discrepancy vs. Nintendo. So there are my arguments, where are yours?

 So then you have US, Japan and Europe, at about 22-24 million, add in Canadian and Austrailian and the rest of the territories that the Wii has released in and you'd probably get between 2-4 million in software sales extra, which would put our estimate anywhere from 24-28 million in software sales, which means that the 28.84 million of Nintendo isn't far out of the realm of possibility, which is why I hesitate to say that its only a shipped figure, until we can have more data from a source like VGChartz.  

 

 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

koffieboon on 07 May 2007
Avinash_Tyagi said:
mrstickball said:
...And I can't show actual attach rates and sales for Europe and other markets because there simply is no data out there to aquire. But for all intents and purposes: Can you explain where the remaining software units are? I can't. The only data outside of VGcharts and other public domains is from Nintendo's 12:31:06 release on tier ratios: Total Japan US Other Wii-Console 3.19 1.14 1.25 0.80 Wii-Game 17.51 4.33 9.02 4.16 Tie-Ratio 5.5 3.8 7.2 5.2 Now, we know from NPD data that the Wii sold somewhere near 7m s/w units in November/December. The J-numbers could be/probably are accurate. The "other" data is the only data we really have. If Nintendo doubled their sales there (which I believe they did according to their last report), then we could assume, at best, the games sold would be at max, 8.5m units. Still, 10.2m US sales via NPD + 5.5m MC/Famitsu + extrapolated 8.5m from Europe (12:31 data x 2, which is generous) we still get under 25m software units. This again, leads me to believe that Nintendo is either including something such as VC titles, or shipped titles. I don't think VGCharts is inaccurate enough to misconstrute the NPD and their own homebrew data to give such an amazing discrepancy vs. Nintendo. So there are my arguments, where are yours?

So then you have US, Japan and Europe, at about 22-24 million, add in Canadian and Austrailian and the rest of the territories that the Wii has released in and you'd probably get between 2-4 million in software sales extra, which would put our estimate anywhere from 24-28 million in software sales, which means that the 28.84 million of Nintendo isn't far out of the realm of possibility, which is why I hesitate to say that its only a shipped figure, until we can have more data from a source like VGChartz.

 

 


 You really don't want to get it do you? Just check VGchartz number for Japan on april 1st. They're at 4,627,359 sold software, that's 1.5M short of the 6.12M that is in the Nintendo number, which means almost 25% of the software is not sold yet as of march 31st.



Avinash_Tyagi on 07 May 2007
koffieboon said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
mrstickball said:
...And I can't show actual attach rates and sales for Europe and other markets because there simply is no data out there to aquire. But for all intents and purposes: Can you explain where the remaining software units are? I can't. The only data outside of VGcharts and other public domains is from Nintendo's 12:31:06 release on tier ratios: Total Japan US Other Wii-Console 3.19 1.14 1.25 0.80 Wii-Game 17.51 4.33 9.02 4.16 Tie-Ratio 5.5 3.8 7.2 5.2 Now, we know from NPD data that the Wii sold somewhere near 7m s/w units in November/December. The J-numbers could be/probably are accurate. The "other" data is the only data we really have. If Nintendo doubled their sales there (which I believe they did according to their last report), then we could assume, at best, the games sold would be at max, 8.5m units. Still, 10.2m US sales via NPD + 5.5m MC/Famitsu + extrapolated 8.5m from Europe (12:31 data x 2, which is generous) we still get under 25m software units. This again, leads me to believe that Nintendo is either including something such as VC titles, or shipped titles. I don't think VGCharts is inaccurate enough to misconstrute the NPD and their own homebrew data to give such an amazing discrepancy vs. Nintendo. So there are my arguments, where are yours?

So then you have US, Japan and Europe, at about 22-24 million, add in Canadian and Austrailian and the rest of the territories that the Wii has released in and you'd probably get between 2-4 million in software sales extra, which would put our estimate anywhere from 24-28 million in software sales, which means that the 28.84 million of Nintendo isn't far out of the realm of possibility, which is why I hesitate to say that its only a shipped figure, until we can have more data from a source like VGChartz.

 

 


 You really don't want to get it do you? Just check VGchartz number for Japan on april 1st. They're at 4,627,359 sold software, that's 1.5M short of the 6.12M that is in the Nintendo number, which means almost 25% of the software is not sold yet as of march 31st.


 Ok then, show me the actual total , like i've been saying I want to see an actual total amount you guys have, so then we can determine the actual attach rate, so far the guesstimate I have is between 24-28 million, which would put the attach rate between 4.11 and 4.80, much higher than the original comment by Mrstickball 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)