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oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:


this

Is not an argument

sure it is, if say AC4 could be played fully with off screen play that means that whatever function the gamepad had probably wasnt important anyway or the game doesnt have any gamepad function. Its my understanding that most games on the system are like this, or am I wrong?

the OPTION to play in off tv mode (the mode most games were made, since they're ports from other systems) does not diminish in any way the extra features the gamepad offers.



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Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:


this

Is not an argument

sure it is, if say AC4 could be played fully with off screen play that means that whatever function the gamepad had probably wasnt important anyway or the game doesnt have any gamepad function. Its my understanding that most games on the system are like this, or am I wrong?

the OPTION to play in off tv mode (the mode most games were made, since they're ports from other systems) does not diminish in any way the extra features the gamepad offers.

what are some of these extra features in a lot of these games. Especially the ports. besides a map on the screen.



errorpwns said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

If they do it, the tablet will become almost totally useless, because 3rd party devs won't support it anymore on new games, as they wouldn't run on the tabletless version. Yep, they could make tablet support optional, but most of the times they won't bother, and 1st party support will still be there, but it will become half-baked most of the times, because otherwise 1st party games would be gimped on the tabletless console, and Ninty can't afford tarnishing its biggest franchises.


If the game supports off TV play then it already could support gameplay without the gamepad. 

This is true but it's also the biggest argument for the Gamepad.  I own games like Arkham Asylum and City, Lego City (This game is so goddam funny!), Ninja Gaiden, etc. and I've played them all offscreen for one reason or another.  Every single time, those Wii U controller features were sorely missed.  The experience is on par with PS3/360 versions of games--well, maybe not Lego City for obvious reasons, but the contributions of the new controller becime instantly evident.  It's not easy going back once you've gotten used to the Wii U.

I know it's a personal choice.  That's why they make a Wii U pro controller for those that don't care about the Gamepad features.  I own one too.  Think is, I NEVER use it.  I'm nearing my one year Wii U anniversary and I only remember charging the thing once.



attaboy said:
errorpwns said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

If they do it, the tablet will become almost totally useless, because 3rd party devs won't support it anymore on new games, as they wouldn't run on the tabletless version. Yep, they could make tablet support optional, but most of the times they won't bother, and 1st party support will still be there, but it will become half-baked most of the times, because otherwise 1st party games would be gimped on the tabletless console, and Ninty can't afford tarnishing its biggest franchises.


If the game supports off TV play then it already could support gameplay without the gamepad. 

This is true but it's also the biggest argument for the Gamepad.  I own games like Arkham Asylum and City, Lego City (This game is so goddam funny!), Ninja Gaiden, etc. and I've played them all offscreen for one reason or another.  Every single time, those Wii U controller features were sorely missed.  The experience is on par with PS3/360 versions of games--well, maybe not Lego City for obvious reasons, but the contributions of the new controller becime instantly evident.  It's not easy going back once you've gotten used to the Wii U.

I know it's a personal choice.  That's why they make a Wii U pro controller for those that don't care about the Gamepad features.  I own one too.  Think is, I NEVER use it.  I'm nearing my one year Wii U anniversary and I only remember charging the thing once.


but thats the thing. its a personal choice, people who really like the gamepad are in the minority, they dont need to be convinced its everyone else that needs convincing and the gamepad isnt doing it.



errorpwns said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

If they do it, the tablet will become almost totally useless, because 3rd party devs won't support it anymore on new games, as they wouldn't run on the tabletless version. Yep, they could make tablet support optional, but most of the times they won't bother, and 1st party support will still be there, but it will become half-baked most of the times, because otherwise 1st party games would be gimped on the tabletless console, and Ninty can't afford tarnishing its biggest franchises.


If the game supports off TV play then it already could support gameplay without the gamepad. 

Sure , but this is not the problem: the model WITHOUT gamepad can ONLY support the gameplay without it, so to support both SKUs and not make gamers with the cheap SKU feel an inferior experience, and also to avoid spending too much developing a feature that not everybody will be able to use, new games should have the single screen mode as the main one, and most of the times, to save even more money, it would be the only one. OTOH the gameplay with big screen + gamepad is currently the main one, because it's THE distinctive feature and selling point of the console and it's available to every Wii U gamer.
It's the same problem of split audience that WiiMote Plus and Balance Board have on Wii, Move has on PS3 and Kinect has on XB360, and it cause devs to support them with just a minority of games or with not crucial optional gameplay additions in them, the only difference is that this time the split audience would be caused not by adding a new feature later or by making it an optional add-on, but by removing it. Opposite process, same result.



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So devs are not using it to many gamers liking. So lets make purchasing it optional and split the install base. Now devs will definitely support it...right?



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Viper1 said:
So devs are not using it to many gamers liking. So lets make purchasing it optional and split the install base. Now devs will definitely support it...right?


thats the point, they are barely supporting it now



They cant really do that. Thats the redeeming feature of the Wii U.

They could bundle it with a proper controller aswell though. Maybe a Wiimote even.



Nem said:
They cant really do that. Thats the redeeming feature of the Wii U.

They could bundle it with a proper controller aswell though. Maybe a Wiimote even.

because the gamepad doesn't have all the buttons of the pro controller, oh wait!



Wait for the less suited moment. Then suddenly, it will be announced.



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