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You see I'm going to get a lot of hate and pitchforks thrown at me here but, the thing about Nintendo is that they design their entire system for their franchises in mind instead of designing it for new censored. This is why I agree with Jaffe.



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deskpro2k3 said:

You see I'm going to get a lot of hate and pitchforks thrown at me here but, the thing about Nintendo is that they design their entire system for their franchises in mind instead of designing it for new censored. This is why I agree with Jaffe.

Rather untrue, if you look at the Wii. How many pre-existing Nintendo franchises really made great use of the motion controls? Zelda (after 5 years of the console on the market) and Metroid Prime, but few others.

The more legitimate criticism is that Nintendo designs their hardware for what their game designers need and no others



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Mr Khan said:
deskpro2k3 said:

You see I'm going to get a lot of hate and pitchforks thrown at me here but, the thing about Nintendo is that they design their entire system for their franchises in mind instead of designing it for new censored. This is why I agree with Jaffe.

Rather untrue, if you look at the Wii. How many pre-existing Nintendo franchises really made great use of the motion controls? Zelda (after 5 years of the console on the market) and Metroid Prime, but few others.

The more legitimate criticism is that Nintendo designs their hardware for what their game designers need and no others

 

That is what I mean.



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In all honesty yeah. Nintendo are arrogant as hell. People accuse Sony of that last gen. But Nintendo have been more so forever. The blatant crap that is Wii U is proof of Nintendo just not listening. Devs didnt want it. They dont want to build for it and Nintendo wasted all the dev time and cost on the controller. Why not put it into better visuals for the system? Hell Microsoft managed to do both.

So Ninty there is no excuse. I used to game and love you until you left gamers like me hanging. Nintendo used to be the guarenteed place to go for the best in console visuals and powerful hardware. I liked that. They went down a different path. One I couldnt follow.

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-Mr Khan



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Mr Khan said:
Osc89 said:
DucksUnlimited said:
 

Oh god. Stop with the No True Scotsman nonsense. A real fan of Nintendo is just that, someone who likes Nintendo/their products. You don't have to abide by some set standard of criticism towards Nintendo in order to be a fan of them.

I suppose you think you get to determine that I, for example, am not a Nintendo fan, despite buying all of their consoles and the Gamecube being my favorite console of all time, because my criticism doesn't fall under your arbitrary criteria.

And "Nintendo should do X" is an unacceptable criticism? That statement, mixed with the dozens of defensive posts in here, is very telling.

Yes, highly critical indeed.


I agree with this 100%. To some, being a Nintendo fan is more an exercise in groupthink rather than just being someone who loves to play Nintendo games. On this site I've been denied "Nintendo fan" status when criticizing certain aspects of my Wii U from a "true" fan who doesn't own one.

I think it would be a healthy exercise for people here to post 3 bad things about their favourite company, and 3 good things about their least, but there is no way that wouldn't turn into an excuse for cheap shots.

The bone of contention that I have with your viewpoints, at least, regards the third party situation. Proper understanding of the third party issue is a key pillar, at least as far as i have observed Nintendo communities.

I do apologize if I have been off-putting in the past, however. You are a reasoned poster and have much to contribute, even if i feel that part of your ideals are misguided.


I haven't found you off-putting, in my experience you have been balanced. I think that's impressive given loyalty combined with mod powers. I was talking about another guy I've clashed with a couple of times over Nintendo criticism.

The third party thing does seem to be a frequent cause of contention. This might be down to my own ignorance, but I haven't really seen more evidence for one point of view than the other. I just treat it as a grey area with both sides at fault.



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Kane1389 said:


Wanna-be? He created God of War


Indeed, the pinnacle of innovation.



I honestly think Nintendo does need a major shake up if only in their promotion arms because for the last few years. They haven't advertised most of their software worth a damn with some rare exceptions that get two weeks worth of television advertisement before its commercials disappear altogether from a limited block of programming.

They build buzz well enough with stuff like Nintendo Directs, internet videos and some viral marketing stuff but when it comes to actually putting something that pushes the games themselves they seem determined to just let word of mouth be the only push games get.



pokoko said:
deskpro2k3 said:

First off all, I never said quit on anything. That is your biggest mistake there in assuming such thing.

Now for Nintendo, is it bad to cater to all age groups or just one? Think about that without the diapers analogy.

I used to be a Nintendo fan.  Saved up my own Birthday/Christmas money to put toward an NES.  Traded some skateboard parts to a rich kid for his SNES.  I often say that Sony won me over with the PS1, which is true, but before the PS1 even came out, I had become disenchanted with my SNES.

Ironically, I mainly attribute this to my two favorite SNES games, FF VI and A Link to the Past.  They were both so incredibly good that they made me realize how limited almost everything else was.  They made me want more.  They made me want games with quality stories, interesting characters, and new experiences.  Mainly what I got, however, were more platformers.  FF VI, especially, broke my heart because I couldn't find anything else like it.

Then the PS1 came out and suddenly, bam, new gaming experiences all over the place.

I understand now that Nintendo lost me partially because of the cart/CD fiasco but back then it just felt like Nintendo had no interest in keeping me as a customer.  That bothered me more than a little.

I still really don't understand why Nintendo has refused for so long to recognize that many people crave variety in gaming.  They're trying now, kind of, with Bayonetta and Monolith, but it might be too late.  It's not like they ever had to alter Mario or Zelda or anything else.  Sony has LBP and TLoU, so it's obvious you can have different types of games in your stable.  What they're doing now with Monolith is exactly what they should have done a long time ago.

 


Just a thought here, but... have you ever had a Gamecube? Because that's exactly the Nintendo you're describing and their games weren't exactly too hot back then.



Sleepyprince said:
I'll put it here again, in case someone did not noticed :

" Oh, and Platinium games are by no means owned by nintendo. Same case for The Wonderful 101. They just contracted an exclusive. That's all. "


http://www.trademarkia.com/the-wonderful-101-85727861.html

 

They own W101, the IP, the code

Get your facts straight