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dsgrue3 said:
Screamapillar said:
dsgrue3 said:

So what's the problem folks? Is it poorly educated masses, indoctrination, parents, scientific failure?


There's no way for you or I, or anyone else, to know whether or not God is the being/ deity/ whatever who caused everything that exists to come into existence.  For all we know, God might be responsible for what is our limited human theory of evolution.  For all we know, God doesn't exist and things just randomly occur.  The point is, we don't know.

I don't think it's accurate or fair to paint a group of people as being ignorant simply because you don't believe what they believe. 

None of us have all the answers.  None of us have even a fraction of the answers.  There is a lot that we as humans still don't know.  Part of humanity is learning new things and continuing to grow and develop our knowledge.

I think there has been a misunderstanding in here that is pervasive.

This is strictly about evolution vs creationism. Not creationism vs science.

Evolution - abundance of evidence. Creationism - Zilch. And it is in this respect that I speak ill of the proposition. 


Alright, let me rephrase, in order to further this dicussion instead of spinning wheels.

You speak of creationism and the theory of evolution as if they are these ironclad rulesets that are set in stone.  Neither of them are, though.  Evolution is still a working theory, and yes it may be the closest thing we have to a full answer, but still yet it is far from a full answer.  Creationism does not mean that you do not believe in evolution.  One belief or ideal, whatever you want to call it, does not cancel out the other.  You can be a "Creationist" so to speak and believe that God (whatever God is or isn't) is responsible for causing evolution to exist in the first place.  Just as easily as you could say that you believe soundly in the theory of evolution, and that there isn't such thing as God or any higher power, and that things in the universe simply occured and continue to occur according to nothing more than random events and collisions. 

These ideas, I argue, are by no means incompatible with one another.  Further, most major world religions say nothing to discourage scientific discovery or lay disdain for the idea of evolution.  Quite the contrary.



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NobleTeam360 said:
orniletter said:
JWeinCom said:
Max King of the Wild said:
If evolution was glazed over then you must not have went to college....


Or... he didn't take Bio in college?  Typically, colleges require one semester of Natural Science or Lab Science, and there are a lot of choices that wouldn't involve evolution. 

Isn´t biology part of your....(I don´t know what the american equivalent is)....high school (?) education ?

Yeah it is, I took Biology in 10th grade. 


Thats what I thought ! Everyone should be aware of the theorie and should understand it

...and in my opinion: You can´t argue with the overwhelming evidence in favor of the natural selection...even if you believe that there is a good out there.

Natural selection is real and happening as we speak (not to mention incredibly logical)



Screamapillar said:
dsgrue3 said:

I think there has been a misunderstanding in here that is pervasive.

This is strictly about evolution vs creationism. Not creationism vs science.

Evolution - abundance of evidence. Creationism - Zilch. And it is in this respect that I speak ill of the proposition. 


Alright, let me rephrase, in order to further this dicussion instead of spinning wheels.

You speak of creationism and the theory of evolution as if they are these ironclad rulesets that are set in stone.  Neither of them are, though.  Evolution is still a working theory, and yes it may be the closest thing we have to a full answer, but still yet it is far from a full answer.  Creationism does not mean that you do not believe in evolution.  One belief or ideal, whatever you want to call it, does not cancel out the other.  You can be a "Creationist" so to speak and believe that God (whatever God is or isn't) is responsible for causing evolution to exist in the first place.  Just as easily as you could say that you believe soundly in the theory of evolution, and that there isn't such thing as God or any higher power, and that things in the universe simply occured and continue to occur according to nothing more than random events and collisions. 

These ideas, I argue, are by no means incompatible with one another.  Further, most major world religions say nothing to discourage scientific discovery or lay disdain for the idea of evolution.  Quite the contrary.

They are mutually exclusive concepts. 

We don't need a god for evolution to take place, and it has taken place. So why are you putting god in where it isn't needed? 

Creationism is, as described in the OP, the belief that god placed humans in their current form on Earth. In other words, no evolution involved.

The debate about evolution is in the minutia of what each component does - natural selection, random mutation, and what role the environment plays. There is no dispute about its occurrance. 



dandd said:
Either way you choose its based on faith in something.

Neither position can be conclusively proven, so why not live and let live?


Except that there is ample evidence for evolution.  We KNOW evolution takes place, and we apply that KNOWledge when we're doing things like creating antibiotics.  Evolution means that life changes over time.  This is a fact.  We know it happens.  We see it happen.  Evolution is simply a phenomena.  It is not a theory, no matter how big of a sticker you place on a text book.  The FACT that life changes over time flies in the face of creationism, or at least the kind of creationism mentioned in the OP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli_long-term_evolution_experiment#Evolution_of_aerobic_citrate_usage_in_one_population

When people try to say Evolution is a theory, they mean that Darwin's theory on how evolution happens is a theory.  A very well supported theory.  Similarly, Newton's theory of gravity was a theory that was meant to explain the phenomena of gravity.  Even if Newton's theory was wrong (which in some respects it was) that doesn't mean that gravity, an observable phenomena, wasn't occuring.  Similarly, even if Darwin is wrong about the HOW of evolution, that doesn't mean that species stop changing over time during reproduction. 



Screamapillar said:
dsgrue3 said:
Screamapillar said:
dsgrue3 said:

So what's the problem folks? Is it poorly educated masses, indoctrination, parents, scientific failure?


There's no way for you or I, or anyone else, to know whether or not God is the being/ deity/ whatever who caused everything that exists to come into existence.  For all we know, God might be responsible for what is our limited human theory of evolution.  For all we know, God doesn't exist and things just randomly occur.  The point is, we don't know.

I don't think it's accurate or fair to paint a group of people as being ignorant simply because you don't believe what they believe. 

None of us have all the answers.  None of us have even a fraction of the answers.  There is a lot that we as humans still don't know.  Part of humanity is learning new things and continuing to grow and develop our knowledge.

I think there has been a misunderstanding in here that is pervasive.

This is strictly about evolution vs creationism. Not creationism vs science.

Evolution - abundance of evidence. Creationism - Zilch. And it is in this respect that I speak ill of the proposition. 


Alright, let me rephrase, in order to further this dicussion instead of spinning wheels.

You speak of creationism and the theory of evolution as if they are these ironclad rulesets that are set in stone.  Neither of them are, though.  Evolution is still a working theory, and yes it may be the closest thing we have to a full answer, but still yet it is far from a full answer.  Creationism does not mean that you do not believe in evolution.  One belief or ideal, whatever you want to call it, does not cancel out the other.  You can be a "Creationist" so to speak and believe that God (whatever God is or isn't) is responsible for causing evolution to exist in the first place.  Just as easily as you could say that you believe soundly in the theory of evolution, and that there isn't such thing as God or any higher power, and that things in the universe simply occured and continue to occur according to nothing more than random events and collisions. 

These ideas, I argue, are by no means incompatible with one another.  Further, most major world religions say nothing to discourage scientific discovery or lay disdain for the idea of evolution.  Quite the contrary.

Major religions don't try to discourage scientific discovery?  Tell that to Darwin and Gallelio (sp?).



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dsgrue3 said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
Looks more like 82% to me. Creationism is just about the Christian religion but a belief that a higher power had something to do with our creation.
Also Creationism is a scientific belief started by scientist.
Might want to actually get to know what you are talking about before belittling people.
Science cannot answer all the question. That is why its a growing belief among scientist that there is a creator, they just do not give credit to one religion over another

I've never read a bigger pile of bullshit in my entire life. You are seriously uneducated about this, bordering on total ignorance.

Creationism is not science. They tried to pass it off as science under the guise of "Intelligent Design" which the Supreme court deemed rebranded religion.

There no growing belief among scientists either. No idea which creationist website you pulled that from.

NobleTeam360 said:
Uhh, why do some people feel the need to put down what someone else believes in? Science is all over the place when it comes to trying to disprove God. You come up with one point and I can easily come up with a counter point.

Name one positive piece of evidence for creationism...good luck.

I didnt say it was science. I said it was a belief of scientists and it is growing.
You keep on thinking you know it all while calling everyone igorant for not believing BS like you. Its hilarious. I get my info from science based websites. Now stop insulting people. Obviously this subject is beyond your knowledge and abilities to talk about properly.



NobleTeam360 said:
deskpro2k3 said:
poorly educated masses. these are people that believe that the end of the world was suppose to happen in 2012.

Every Christian I know didn't believe the world was going to end in 2012.

Or 80% of the us for that matter... these people are just as bad as the ones they are against... rather hilarious if you ask me



Seriously: Dinosaurs ?
This is hopefully just a troll account, nobody can´t honestly believe that our stone age-ancestors lived with them side by side, when everything (!) we know (not assume or theorise about) shows that is just not what happened !



ListerOfSmeg said:
dsgrue3 said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
Looks more like 82% to me. Creationism is just about the Christian religion but a belief that a higher power had something to do with our creation.
Also Creationism is a scientific belief started by scientist.
Might want to actually get to know what you are talking about before belittling people.
Science cannot answer all the question. That is why its a growing belief among scientist that there is a creator, they just do not give credit to one religion over another

I've never read a bigger pile of bullshit in my entire life. You are seriously uneducated about this, bordering on total ignorance.

Creationism is not science. They tried to pass it off as science under the guise of "Intelligent Design" which the Supreme court deemed rebranded religion.

There no growing belief among scientists either. No idea which creationist website you pulled that from.

I didnt say it was science. I said it was a belief of scientists and it is growing.
You keep on thinking you know it all while calling everyone igorant for not believing BS like you. Its hilarious. I get my info from science based websites. Now stop insulting people. Obviously this subject is beyond your knowledge and abilities to talk about properly.

List one scientific website that supports your claim that scientists support Creation and that it is growing.

Good luck.



dsgrue3 said:
Screamapillar said:
dsgrue3 said:

I think there has been a misunderstanding in here that is pervasive.

This is strictly about evolution vs creationism. Not creationism vs science.

Evolution - abundance of evidence. Creationism - Zilch. And it is in this respect that I speak ill of the proposition. 


Alright, let me rephrase, in order to further this dicussion instead of spinning wheels.

You speak of creationism and the theory of evolution as if they are these ironclad rulesets that are set in stone.  Neither of them are, though.  Evolution is still a working theory, and yes it may be the closest thing we have to a full answer, but still yet it is far from a full answer.  Creationism does not mean that you do not believe in evolution.  One belief or ideal, whatever you want to call it, does not cancel out the other.  You can be a "Creationist" so to speak and believe that God (whatever God is or isn't) is responsible for causing evolution to exist in the first place.  Just as easily as you could say that you believe soundly in the theory of evolution, and that there isn't such thing as God or any higher power, and that things in the universe simply occured and continue to occur according to nothing more than random events and collisions. 

These ideas, I argue, are by no means incompatible with one another.  Further, most major world religions say nothing to discourage scientific discovery or lay disdain for the idea of evolution.  Quite the contrary.

They are mutually exclusive concepts. 

We don't need a god for evolution to take place, and it has taken place. So why are you putting god in where it isn't needed? 

Creationism is, as described in the OP, the belief that god placed humans in their current form on Earth. In other words, no evolution involved.

The debate about evolution is in the minutia of what each component does - natural selection, random mutation, and what role the environment plays. There is no dispute about its occurrance. 

I am not putting God in anywhere, I am merely arguing on behalf of people of faith.  I don't believe in ridiculing others for not believing the exact same thing I believe.   As I stated originally, neither of us have all the answers, and so it is disingenuous at best to pretend as though we do and claim that large groups of people are ignorant simply because we disagree with them.  I take your point about the narrow definition of Creationism in the OP, yet I guarantee you that most people's definition of Creationism is not so narrow.  Most people of faith do not take the story of Adam and Eve as literal, it is taken as metaphorical.  It has been that way for some time now. 



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