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dsgrue3 said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
dsgrue3 said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
Looks more like 82% to me. Creationism is just about the Christian religion but a belief that a higher power had something to do with our creation.
Also Creationism is a scientific belief started by scientist.
Might want to actually get to know what you are talking about before belittling people.
Science cannot answer all the question. That is why its a growing belief among scientist that there is a creator, they just do not give credit to one religion over another

I've never read a bigger pile of bullshit in my entire life. You are seriously uneducated about this, bordering on total ignorance.

Creationism is not science. They tried to pass it off as science under the guise of "Intelligent Design" which the Supreme court deemed rebranded religion.

There no growing belief among scientists either. No idea which creationist website you pulled that from.

I didnt say it was science. I said it was a belief of scientists and it is growing.
You keep on thinking you know it all while calling everyone igorant for not believing BS like you. Its hilarious. I get my info from science based websites. Now stop insulting people. Obviously this subject is beyond your knowledge and abilities to talk about properly.

List one scientific website that supports your claim that scientists support Creation and that it is growing.

Good luck.


List one that says it isnt.

Good Luck

Also good bye. I am reporting you for the personal attack and not responding to you again. As I said, this is beyond your abilities to discuss properly.

Calling someone uneducated and ignorant because you lack knowledge of the subject is immature.



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Screamapillar said:
dsgrue3 said:

They are mutually exclusive concepts. 

We don't need a god for evolution to take place, and it has taken place. So why are you putting god in where it isn't needed? 

Creationism is, as described in the OP, the belief that god placed humans in their current form on Earth. In other words, no evolution involved.

The debate about evolution is in the minutia of what each component does - natural selection, random mutation, and what role the environment plays. There is no dispute about its occurrance. 

I am not putting God in anywhere, I am merely arguing on behalf of people of faith.  I don't believe in ridiculing others for not believing the exact same thing I believe.   As I stated originally, neither of us have all the answers, and so it is disingenuous at best to pretend as though we do and claim that large groups of people are ignorant simply because we disagree with them.  I take your point about the narrow definition of Creationism in the OP, yet I guarantee you that most people's definition of Creationism is not so narrow.  Most people of faith do not take the story of Adam and Eve as literal, it is taken as metaphorical.  It has been that way for some time now. 

What the hell are you babbling about dude? I don't need ALL the answers to notice that all the evidence is for one scientific theory and there is no evidence for a religious one.

You are ignorant if you claim the Earth is flat or the Sun orbits it. That's patently absurd. Do you know why? Because of the mountain of evidence to the contrary of this position. Evolution is no different.

Well, dude, it's 46% of the US and that's totally disgusting to me. If the other % accept evolution I'm okay with that. It's the science denialists that piss me off.



ListerOfSmeg said:
dsgrue3 said:
ListerOfSmeg said:

I didnt say it was science. I said it was a belief of scientists and it is growing.
You keep on thinking you know it all while calling everyone igorant for not believing BS like you. Its hilarious. I get my info from science based websites. Now stop insulting people. Obviously this subject is beyond your knowledge and abilities to talk about properly.

List one scientific website that supports your claim that scientists support Creation and that it is growing.

Good luck.


List one that says it isnt.

Good Luck

Also good bye. I am reporting you for the personal attack and not responding to you again. As I said, this is beyond your abilities to discuss properly.

Calling someone uneducated and ignorant because you lack knowledge of the subject is immature.

Your claim, thus the burden of proof is on you. You are uneducated on the topic  <- this is saying the same thing as ignorant. 



dsgrue3 said:


I applaud you for your efforts in educating the people you have access to.
(I'm sure you've seen it before but if you haven't I advise you to check out The Atheist Experience)


I find it extraordinary for someone to remain religious with all the information that is readily available. I can understand indoctrination plays a big part here, but do people not educate themselves anymore?



dsgrue3 said:
Screamapillar said:
dsgrue3 said:

They are mutually exclusive concepts. 

We don't need a god for evolution to take place, and it has taken place. So why are you putting god in where it isn't needed? 

Creationism is, as described in the OP, the belief that god placed humans in their current form on Earth. In other words, no evolution involved.

The debate about evolution is in the minutia of what each component does - natural selection, random mutation, and what role the environment plays. There is no dispute about its occurrance. 

I am not putting God in anywhere, I am merely arguing on behalf of people of faith.  I don't believe in ridiculing others for not believing the exact same thing I believe.   As I stated originally, neither of us have all the answers, and so it is disingenuous at best to pretend as though we do and claim that large groups of people are ignorant simply because we disagree with them.  I take your point about the narrow definition of Creationism in the OP, yet I guarantee you that most people's definition of Creationism is not so narrow.  Most people of faith do not take the story of Adam and Eve as literal, it is taken as metaphorical.  It has been that way for some time now. 

What the hell are you babbling about dude? I don't need ALL the answers to notice that all the evidence is for one scientific theory and there is no evidence for a religious one.

You are ignorant if you claim the Earth is flat or the Sun orbits it. That's patently absurd. Do you know why? Because of the mountain of evidence to the contrary of this position. Evolution is no different.

Well, dude, it's 46% of the US and that's totally disgusting to me. If the other % accept evolution I'm okay with that. It's the science denialists that piss me off.

Someone you've never met not agreeing with you about evolution pisses you off?  That's your argument?  Here I thought I was having a discussion with an adult...

I'm sorry that people not agreeing with you upsets you so much, but perhaps it would be a better use of your time or talents to focus on something else. 

Until you yourself have all of the answers (and of course you don't), then writing off an entire population of people simply because they believe something you don't believe is equally as absurb as anything you believe.

I'm sorry you can't see that.



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Andrespetmonkey said:
Moonhero said:
I have full faith that once we die, we will all be greeted by those we've lost, and live eternal.

Why?

Because it's called "faith".



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Screamapillar said:
dsgrue3 said:

What the hell are you babbling about dude? I don't need ALL the answers to notice that all the evidence is for one scientific theory and there is no evidence for a religious one.

You are ignorant if you claim the Earth is flat or the Sun orbits it. That's patently absurd. Do you know why? Because of the mountain of evidence to the contrary of this position. Evolution is no different.

Well, dude, it's 46% of the US and that's totally disgusting to me. If the other % accept evolution I'm okay with that. It's the science denialists that piss me off.

Someone you've never met not agreeing with you about evolution pisses you off?  That's your argument?  Here I thought I was having a discussion with an adult...

I'm sorry that people not agreeing with you upsets you so much, but perhaps it would be a better use of your time or talents to focus on something else. 

Until you yourself have all of the answers (and of course you don't), then writing off an entire population of people simply because they believe something you don't believe is equally as absurb as anything you believe.

I'm sorry you can't see that.

Apparently you struggle with reading for detail.

My argument is that there is a mountain of evidence for evolution and none at all for creation. I thought I made that incredibly clear, but apparently you have to go above and beyond for certain individuals.

It's clear you've abandoned your original argument because you're now just running away.

Mission accomplished.



"So what's the problem folks? Is it poorly educated masses, indoctrination, parents, scientific failure?"

You're acting as if it's a problem. Get over it. Also, the first option is probably what I would've chosen. Sad that many people don't seem to want to choose that option...



ListerOfSmeg said:


List one that says it isnt.

Good Luck

Also good bye. I am reporting you for the personal attack and not responding to you again. As I said, this is beyond your abilities to discuss properly.

Calling someone uneducated and ignorant because you lack knowledge of the subject is immature.

He is simply asking for evidence to your claims. You fail to provide such evidence. I would be quite interested in reading about the growing popularity of creationism among scientist as well so it would be nice if you could provide us with at least one of your science based websites where we could find such claims.

Could you also please elaborate on this quote: "Creationism is a scientific belief started by scientist"
I personally do not agree with the term 'scientific belief' as it holds no value. Science is not something you can chose to believe in or not, it consists of demonstrable facts. Besides that, Creationism does not attempt to provide any answers to the problems it is trying to solve. It simply transfers the question to a theological being. I could agree more with the statement: "Creationism is a belief started by psuedoscientists, later masked as Intelligent Design in an attempt to fool the general public of its scientific validity."



NintendoPie said:
"So what's the problem folks? Is it poorly educated masses, indoctrination, parents, scientific failure?"

You're acting as if it's a problem. Get over it. Also, the first option is probably what I would've chosen. Sad that many people don't seem to want to choose that option...

Just for the record, you're okay with people spreading bullshit?

Say for instance, 2 billion people on Earth told you the Sun revolves around the Earth even in light of the evidence. You want these people to continue teaching this to their kids? You want these people in leadership positions? Have political sway? Have legal sway?

Come on, it is easy to see it is a problem to do this type of thing where you say "okay every opinion is fine, everybody gets a participation trophy, etc".