Are you serious Sony used pc to showed all the games at gamescom and pax and have you seen a game actually running on ps4 console ? No you haven't how come Sony can do 1080p 60fps on multiplayer but they can't do it on SP ? If you think forza looks like a cartoon fair enough but do take my advice go and do eye test and I do believe you do need glasses or you didn't have it on when you were watching forza gameplay 

I give you that. We all believe we are right when we are biasily talking about our loved console/company/product/what ever :)

Serious? You can found PS4 footage from BF4 for example or others multiplats games... no Xbone.

The SP was made before and after that they started to work in MP that runs at 60fps... if GG have more time they will run the SP in 60fps for sure... the MP looks better than the SP right now running at high framerate.

Forza looks like cartoon... it is not only me... compare both games to see.

Congrats people.
It just took slightly over 2 pages to completely derail the thread.
Mods: close the thread, there is no point of another "Mine is bigger than yours" chitchat

Seriously stop with this... This a purely subjective oppinion and you are not going to convince anyone with this... Plenty of people finds Forza 5 looking gorgious and does not even stick on the "backed up lightning thing" like you do. It seems that just knowing that is making you see the game completly differently lol

Knowing your allegiance and how subjective is your point of view anyway, what is the point of arguing about that? Nobody is arguing that PS4 games are better than Xbox One or the oppsite, why did you even bring this into the thread...

The difference is that after some time the company confirms what I was talking about... this article from EG with MS quotes is a example, a lot of "bullshits" I said before was confirmed.

I can say something wrong... of course I can... everybody can make mistakes and I accept when I do that but in the latestes thread I'm dissussing and showing the mistakes/bull in the theories posted but I am treated like a hater.

The Xbone version of the games will run worst than the PS4 version... the only exception will be if there are any locked target to the low spec system... and the PS4 exclusives games for the launch are in techinical terms more advanced than the Xbone ones.

BTW what make Forza 5 impressive for you in techical terms?

Looks like cartoon is not subjective... you have the real-life... just compare... the colors, reflexions, lighting in Forza 5 looks like a toy/cartoon... not real-life.

Like I said... if you like that it is subjective but deny how it looks in technical terms is not subjective.

Who cares about the technical terms... If the games LOOKS awesome, that's it... Stop your "mine is better than yours" attitude in every threads you are posting. If the game runs at 720p but looks 10x times better than another game running at 1080p; I will not just blindly ignore the first one just because of the technical term.

 Do you realize that you are the only one in this thread trying to talk about how better things are on one side compared to the other one... Again...

Just, let it go now...

Does anyone still take this Leadbetter guy serious? I mean all he has been doing since the One reveal has been making fluff articles in their favor, willfully passing on their misinformation. It is funny how MS engineers are saying the machine they engineered is better than PS4 and is more "balanced" as if Sony's engineers are a bunch of morons who don't know how to build a balanced machine. I can't believe how often these articles are appearing. Does nobody find it funny that MS are the only ones talking up the to power of their machine, and how easy it is to program for? While we get an anonymous developer coming out every couple of weeks or so to debunk the MS PR bull and lies and state the obvious, the PS4 is more powerful and easier to develop for.

at OP: They haven't really answered what difference they expect a GDDR5 with 8 Gb against a DDR3+e will have... how will the difference in size at high speed will compare to their a bit faster using a small poll and "slow" big poll... I believe that for the difference to be not really big the coding will need to be really clever (and actualy I really believe that 30 to 50% is possible, but won't be really noticeable if developers use the right areas to compromise).

But what is most incredible and would be interesting to learn is how they will manage to wright/read simultaneously, It may contribute to general computation more than some of the things Sony is coming with... but and people talking about audio chip, don't expect Sony to have a poor solution (even tough they haven't detailed it) because they are in that bussiness as well and PS3 is good in this part (I could say that the main reason for MS bigger audio chip is kinect voice recognition, and in game usage both will be similar and PS4 mic will be somewhat worst).