Isn't this kinda getting out of control? xD There are better things to do than talk about two consoles performance without all the facts! They weren't released on the market yet!

I think you missed the part where he got called out on all the being fud. And he got shreading for this bit of miss info too.

I'm afraid I have to leave this quote tree infact since this person obviously cannot follow the above train.

The point of contention is in bold, but I'll paste it here so you can read it again. 

"Developers that have had there hands on both have said there is a noticable performance difference when they start developing on them."

This was the starting position of Xenostar. 

Then we have Darth Tigris following with:

"What developers?  People keep making statements like that with no proof"

This is what I'm responding to, precise metrics are completely unnecessary to this particular conversation. It's a deviation of the thread OP, perhaps attempt to understand what is being contested before chiming in with obsolete statements.

It's exceedingly tiring addressing the posts of overtly defensive fans of a certain ilk.

Penello has been bombarded on Twitter, blogs etc... to comment on the supposed "performance differences". When he does, it gets twisted as "Oh! but he said specs don't matter! Ha Ha!" Come on now. One thing is clear, console wars is serious business for some. There's some serious hatred out there.

Let me ask you something.  How do you know he got shredded.  Without having the knowledge if the people responding actually know what they are talking about you can easily make that mistake.  After reading a few comments its clear a lot of them do not know what they are talking about and most cannot even make a simple google search to be sure what they are saying is correct.  This is the problem with the net is that people regurgitate information from other people who do not know what they are talking about and you get number to junk.

Kinda feel sorry for some of the hardcore Xbox guys....you guys will probably believe all this talk by Penello. When its painfully clear to any tech novice that a lot of the stuff hes saying is PR.

Sony guys will probably automatically argue with everything he says...whether right or wrong lol.

I encourage everyone to do some research and see how these things work for yourselves and then judge the comments.

Blindly believing what someone on the internet says, whether that's a GAF user or some company executive is the worst thing you can do.

Seems like Penello's intentions are good, but i feel this wont end well for him. If he doesn't strongly back up all the statements he made he will probably get banned very soon. That will be very interesting.

I notice your willingness to attack some of GAF posters, but are unwilling to agree with Penello.

Go ahead, don't be shy.

How does a game "own" a lineup? Taking a look at google and youtube, Titanfall has far less views and hits than Infamous Second Son for example. I don't know if a few more glowing reviews on gaming websites or blogs equates to greater mainstream attention. Which is obviously a factor, right?

I'm sure the game will get a massive marketing budget and garner huge interest later on, but you're jumping the gun a bit now. I'd say far less people actually know about the game right now than some of the launch titles appearing on either system. 

So the first link was from an Xbox developers that says Sony has the better specs.  Here is a quote from that link (basically the article if you read it)

"“The facts are on paper, the PS4 has better specs, and the most that you can debate is by how much,” said the refreshingly candid employee. “What I can tell you is that I have played Forza Motorsport 5,Killer Instinct, and Ryse on the Xbox One, and they look as good as the games that I play on a high-end PC. Ryse reminded me of Darksiders II.”"

The second link is from a developer who is not making a X1 game which invalidate your bolded point.  You bolded points says developers who has worked on both X1 and PS4 games.  The developer in the second link is stating specs not first hand experience which is very clear from the article.

The third one is from another developer that pretty much validated Albert point.  Here is a quote from the article

"We asked Avalanche’s chief technical officer Linus Blomberg how the two consoles compare. “It’s difficult to say, as it’s still early days when it comes to drivers,” he told us. “With each new driver release, performance increases dramatically in some areas. The PlayStation 4 environment is definitely more mature currently, so Microsoft has some catching up to do. But I’m not too concerned about that as they traditionally have been very good in that area. The specs on paper would favour the PS4 over the Xbox One in terms of raw power, but there are many other factors involved so we’ll just have to wait and see a bit longer before making that judgment.”

If anything, the only thing you did was provide more proof of what Albert is stating instead of anything else.

Because a lot of them do know what they are talking about. And even a quick google search will tell you that the ps4 transfers 20 GB/s down the onion buss. So that alone slames his 50 percent gain.