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S.T.A.G.E. on 08 September 2013
JWeinCom said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


The R&D money put into the tablet could've been used to up the actual hardware. Nintendo took a bet that the casual market would come back and they misfired. All console manufacturers are going to profit early on their tech this gen, Nintendo just never consulted with third parties. There is no excuse this generation...at all. Nintendo aimed to chase a closing market generation with the Wii U hardware-wise and misfired again, because third parties were already moving on. They should've kept in contact while developing their console the whole time. The guy is right, its like they create the console in an isolated matter and then say "oh yeah, so we made our console, put a game on it." If it doesn't meet the specifications third parties need they wont put the game on their console. Nintendo had the specifications needed to make FPS on the N64 and PC devs proudly put Duke Nukem & Doom and other games on the 64 before Goldeneye was ever launched.

Seriously, please explain to me how having the same multiplatform games as the PS4 and XBox One is going to change things.  Are you going to buy a Wii U instead of a PS4 just because the Wii U has... the same games as the PS4?  How is the Wii U going to outsell the PS4 and XBone while trying to appeal to the same market, with the same games? 

If Nintendo is going to succeed, they are going to do so by appealing to the their market.  It's really that simple.  They're not going to convince the COD fan to stop playing Halo so he could pick up Pikmin.  Third party support is not nearly as important as being able to make their own games in the way they think will be most appealing.  The Gamepad is a neat idea, that with the proper marketing can differentiate the Wii U and attract fans.  I'm not really going to argue about it, because there's nothing new to say, but lets see what happens with the Wii U this holiday.


You don't get it do you? Nintendo wants third party profit, but they go about it in the most awkward of ways. It's not that they don't want it but Nintendo never really thinks hard enough about their relationship with third party and how to strengthen it. They should've developed their console in tandem with third parties to understand the desired specs for next gen, but they just couldn't could they? Once again they did everything on their own and then expected them to just put the games on like some retarded co-worker.

Who said Nintendo wasn't trying to appeal to their market? Nintendo needs to expand their natural market. This means creating a stable environment to get first and second party Nintendo games with stable third party. They wouldn't have to take once in a blue moon risks like the Wii, but if they wanted to they still could.  Their stable market that they had during the SNES era dwindled down to mostly first and second party followers once the N64 era came into play because Nintendo was behind on CD technology because they were afraid of piracy. Everyone else had CD's and got the third party support.  

The Wii U is being held down by the PS3 and 360. It's kind of obvious that if they are selling higher, late adopters are not differentiating the Wii U as next gen because of the types of games involved. Hopefully the first party will fix things.



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Cobretti2 on 08 September 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JWeinCom said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


The R&D money put into the tablet could've been used to up the actual hardware. Nintendo took a bet that the casual market would come back and they misfired. All console manufacturers are going to profit early on their tech this gen, Nintendo just never consulted with third parties. There is no excuse this generation...at all. Nintendo aimed to chase a closing market generation with the Wii U hardware-wise and misfired again, because third parties were already moving on. They should've kept in contact while developing their console the whole time. The guy is right, its like they create the console in an isolated matter and then say "oh yeah, so we made our console, put a game on it." If it doesn't meet the specifications third parties need they wont put the game on their console. Nintendo had the specifications needed to make FPS on the N64 and PC devs proudly put Duke Nukem & Doom and other games on the 64 before Goldeneye was ever launched.

Seriously, please explain to me how having the same multiplatform games as the PS4 and XBox One is going to change things.  Are you going to buy a Wii U instead of a PS4 just because the Wii U has... the same games as the PS4?  How is the Wii U going to outsell the PS4 and XBone while trying to appeal to the same market, with the same games? 

If Nintendo is going to succeed, they are going to do so by appealing to the their market.  It's really that simple.  They're not going to convince the COD fan to stop playing Halo so he could pick up Pikmin.  Third party support is not nearly as important as being able to make their own games in the way they think will be most appealing.  The Gamepad is a neat idea, that with the proper marketing can differentiate the Wii U and attract fans.  I'm not really going to argue about it, because there's nothing new to say, but lets see what happens with the Wii U this holiday.


You don't get it do you? Nintendo wants third party profit, but they go about it in the most awkward of ways. It's not that they don't want it but Nintendo never really thinks hard enough about their relationship with third party and how to strengthen it. They should've developed their console in tandem with third parties to understand the desired specs for next gen, but they just couldn't could they? Once again they did everything on their own and then expected them to just put the games on like some retarded co-worker.

Who said Nintendo wasn't trying to appeal to their market? Nintendo needs to expand their natural market. This means creating a stable environment to get first and second party Nintendo games with stable third party. They wouldn't have to take once in a blue moon risks like the Wii, but if they wanted to they still could.  Their stable market that they had during the SNES era dwindled down to mostly first and second party followers once the N64 era came into play because Nintendo was behind on CD technology because they were afraid of piracy. Everyone else had CD's and got the third party support.  

The Wii U is being held down by the PS3 and 360. It's kind of obvious that if they are selling higher, late adopters are not differentiating the Wii U as next gen because of the types of games involved. Hopefully the first party will fix things.

I think they did develop it with one 3rd party in mind that being EA. They thought it they could get EA onboard the others would follow. But that unprecidented support fell apart for whatever reason we can only speculate but that whole origin thing seems to be the most plausible.



 

 

S.T.A.G.E. on 08 September 2013
Cobretti2 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JWeinCom said:


You don't get it do you? Nintendo wants third party profit, but they go about it in the most awkward of ways. It's not that they don't want it but Nintendo never really thinks hard enough about their relationship with third party and how to strengthen it. They should've developed their console in tandem with third parties to understand the desired specs for next gen, but they just couldn't could they? Once again they did everything on their own and then expected them to just put the games on like some retarded co-worker.

Who said Nintendo wasn't trying to appeal to their market? Nintendo needs to expand their natural market. This means creating a stable environment to get first and second party Nintendo games with stable third party. They wouldn't have to take once in a blue moon risks like the Wii, but if they wanted to they still could.  Their stable market that they had during the SNES era dwindled down to mostly first and second party followers once the N64 era came into play because Nintendo was behind on CD technology because they were afraid of piracy. Everyone else had CD's and got the third party support.  

The Wii U is being held down by the PS3 and 360. It's kind of obvious that if they are selling higher, late adopters are not differentiating the Wii U as next gen because of the types of games involved. Hopefully the first party will fix things.

I think they did develop it with one 3rd party in mind that being EA. They thought it they could get EA onboard the others would follow. But that unprecidented support fell apart for whatever reason we can only speculate but that whole origin thing seems to be the most plausible.


Nintnedo only gave third party enough time to do late ports, not enough time to truly think about anything next gen. EA's issue is definitely Origin, but they spoke for Nintendo at last years E3, so I am sure they were planning on making good on their deal.



Cobretti2 on 08 September 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Cobretti2 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JWeinCom said:


You don't get it do you? Nintendo wants third party profit, but they go about it in the most awkward of ways. It's not that they don't want it but Nintendo never really thinks hard enough about their relationship with third party and how to strengthen it. They should've developed their console in tandem with third parties to understand the desired specs for next gen, but they just couldn't could they? Once again they did everything on their own and then expected them to just put the games on like some retarded co-worker.

Who said Nintendo wasn't trying to appeal to their market? Nintendo needs to expand their natural market. This means creating a stable environment to get first and second party Nintendo games with stable third party. They wouldn't have to take once in a blue moon risks like the Wii, but if they wanted to they still could.  Their stable market that they had during the SNES era dwindled down to mostly first and second party followers once the N64 era came into play because Nintendo was behind on CD technology because they were afraid of piracy. Everyone else had CD's and got the third party support.  

The Wii U is being held down by the PS3 and 360. It's kind of obvious that if they are selling higher, late adopters are not differentiating the Wii U as next gen because of the types of games involved. Hopefully the first party will fix things.

I think they did develop it with one 3rd party in mind that being EA. They thought it they could get EA onboard the others would follow. But that unprecidented support fell apart for whatever reason we can only speculate but that whole origin thing seems to be the most plausible.


Nintnedo only gave third party enough time to do late ports, not enough time to truly think about anything next gen. EA's issue is definitely Origin, but they spoke for Nintendo at last years E3, so I am sure they were planning on making good on their deal.


oh I don't disagree that they arn't partially at fault here, but I stillt hink they relied too much on EA being their ace card as a way to luer other developers. 

what wil be interesting is what tey do next gen. I really hope they don't do the portable hybrid thing as I jsut can't see it being poerful enough, unless the handheld version pays scaled down versions of the game and games deisgned for the portable device.



 

 

Mr Khan on 08 September 2013
Mythmaker1 said:
Nintendo's strategy has worked well for them in the past. While the inclusion of third-parties can certainly help them, if they were so inclined, it's not really necessary if they manage their business properly.

Nintendo's problem is that they haven't been managing themselves properly, and without third-parties to pick up the slack, it's been rough for them.

Honestly, I think their problem is they've been going through a rough transition. Unlike Microsoft and Sony, they're still very much a toy company at heart, and I think that the change has percolated down to development, but hasn't quite managed to work its way up to management yet.

This is a very good post on the matter.



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ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 08 September 2013

this guy is a complete moron and that is plain and simple.
nintendo should always make a console with there games in mind, because that is why ppl buy there system in the first place. also the : gamepad is the best controller i love the design and how playing a co-op game on it works, no other system can do that period. also playing a console with no tv on, can any other system do that besides the wiiu ? answer is no, i think nintendo just needs to do a better job at marketing there system and they will be fine, the new price point coming will help out alot in the next few months, and alot of games are coming as well.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 08 September 2013
ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
this guy is a complete moron and that is plain and simple.
nintendo should always make a console with there games in mind, because that is why ppl buy there system in the first place. also the : gamepad is the best controller i love the design and how playing a co-op game on it works, no other system can do that period. also playing a console with no tv on, can any other system do that besides the wiiu ? answer is no, i think nintendo just needs to do a better job at marketing there system and they will be fine, the new price point coming will help out alot in the next few months, and alot of games are coming as well.


The guy in the video never refuted your point. He is talking about what they did wrong. The tablet is not a draw for casuals, but rather for Nintendo's loyal fanbase. That is not what Nintendo planned for. Nintendo over time has scared off their own fanbase from buying third party games on their platform. Nintendo since the rise of COD has missed out on the profit Sony and Microsoft have been making on large scale third party games. They've been wanting in on it for a while, which is why Reggie was going gaga over COD's graphics vesus the current gen consoles on CNN.



Fusioncode on 08 September 2013
JWeinCom said:
Ugh. Too tired for a full response but here's my brief thoughts.

Nintendo is not Microsoft. They are not Sony. They are not a large company who can afford to take losses for several years on their gaming division. They are not a company that can rely on third party sales to carry them. They're a company that needs to make money basically every year, and the way they make most of their money off of their own software. Look at how their software sells relative to how their hardware sells, and then look at the same thing for Sony and MS.

If Nintendo wanted to do what third parties ask, the DS would have likely had one screen and no touch. The Wii would have been more powerful with the pro controller as its standard. The Wii U would be a console that would be just like the XBone or PS4 because that makes life easier for developers.

And what benefit would there be for Nintendo? Fans of the other fans are going to suddenly switch sides because Nintendo has the multiplatform games that they can already get from a company they like better? Probably not. If Nintendo was to follow third party leads, then you'd get a console that's made with Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and Madden in mind. You'd get a quote unqoute hardcore gamer machine, which wouldn't make sense for Nintendo who doesn't make quote unquote hardcore games. Sony fans and MS fans who do buy a Wii or a Wii U are doing so as a secondary system anyway.

Nintendo is going to live or die based on their first party stuff. That's their advantage, and that's what has to take priority, even if that costs them with their parties. There are of course, places where they could compromise, but the number one objective is how to make Nintendo's games stand out.

Nintendo did want the WiiU to have strong 3rd party support. That's why EA had such a strong showing in the reveal of the console. Nintendo meant for this to be an inclusive system but the majority of 3rd parties have jumped ship. 



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cbarroso09 on 08 September 2013

Nintendo did considered the words of the best and most reliable, successful with more IPs than any other company, NINTENDO ITSELF. So successful that they have launched their own hardware with little to no support from other publishers for the last 30 years.
I have nothing else to say.



DélioPT on 08 September 2013

Just because Nintendo didn`t have the same kind of approach as MS or Sony, doesn`t mean that they don`t do enough. Never before they talked to 3rd parties as soon as they did because of Wii U.
Nintendo probably did for them what they did to others and these others are making games for Wii U, so why can`t Bethesda? The reason is that they never intended to. Because if they did, they had the chance to do so when Nintendo approached them in the first place.

They didn`t like how they were approached? They didn`t like the specs of the machine? Ok. But that`s not really a mistake by Nintendo. They just were out of reach to begin with, then.

As people said, Nintendo did want to gather 3rd party support, to go after the core gamers - that`s why they didn`t go right after the casuals at launch and even now.
Nintendo has a way to do things. And one of those ways is that they don`t see specs as the main reason for success, so they don´t go that far. Of course, some will say it doesn`t matter, and others, like Bethesda, saw it does.
It`s a business decision. And so far it`s proven to work for Nintendo, when going for power or doing what others did, never worked for them (N64, GC).