JoeTheBro said:
Yes 90% of people just copy and past things. That goes for both sides of the coin though. You admit you don't know this stuff so why in your first post do you just repeat what all the xbox guys post and say it's a fact? You guarantee it? As for telling me something, don't worry. I do know this stuff and I have a pretty good idea of how early next gen graphics will be. |
SMH Bullshizzle you know nothing just admit it man.
I have said it before and I will say it again, if the difference is as big as the Sony diehards claim, why wouldn't the PS4 titles be a big step up from X1 games even at launch? Especially if it is as developer friendly as Sony claims.
Shinobi-san said:
Offloading a few tasks to co-processors wont offset that. The PS4 also has multiple co-processors (not as much it seems given the info we have) which it offloads audio processing and video compression etc. I mean theres a reason why these systems have such weak CPU's. They are almost fully reliant on the GPU's. And when we do compare GPU's the Xbox One's falls short. And also just remember when speaking about the memory....if GDDR5 memory was as cheap as DDR3, then MS would have gone with GDDR5 memory. No arguments about that. Thats why Sony made a big deal about it at their conference. That's why high end GPU's use GDDR5 ram...ESRAM is a workaround. A good workaround but its a workaround. I feel like people forget this. The latency difference is there, but given the context we talking about, this isnt really an issue. And really the PS3/360 comparison is completely different. They have very differenct architectures, very different technologies etc. Now we actually have comparable systems and everybodies acting like we cant compare them like for like? Whatsup with that :? And the whole NDA stuff...im not sure exactly what you refering to? The supposed dgpu? If you are talking about that then thats a completely difference case though. The way Alberts is talking though..it doesnt seem like Xbone will have the raw performance advantage. |
Yes, the difference in the GPUs are big but thats the point I raise. MS has about 6 co-processors they are not talking about. Without knowing what these processors do, who knows how much offloading of graphics can be done on the X1 to releave the GPU and even the CPU from their task.
The problem with only comparing the GPU and not the entire system is that people who are not coding to both platforms do not know if other parts of the hardware play a role or not. Co-processors are ways for custom designs to offload that processing from the CPU and GPU. This is why its not evident yet eactly how this might play out. MS might have felt its more efficient to offload specific intensive processing to specialize hardware.
As for memory, it wasn't the expense of the memory but the timing. MS designed their system for 8GB way before 8GB of GDDR5 was possible to fit within the console. Do not forget that Sony was rumored to be supplying 4Gb before Samsung was able to produce 512mb chips which allowed Sony to increase the memory to 8. MS already designed their system for 8GB and needed ESRAM to fill in the bandwidth part. Since this was already done, there was no changing the system once 8GB of GDDR5 was possible. The latency part will come into play for anything that cannot be offloaded to the CU. Since the CPUs are weak anyway, the latency can become a problem if there is to much CPU task that require lower latency than bandwidth.
The NDA stuff is concernign the rumor that is going around the dGPU. I was only mentioning it because people kept saying that MS would be telling the world they had this chip but the rumor already covered why this was not happening.
As for what Albert is talking about, he is stating that raw physical numbers (mainly the GPU) does not tell the who picture. There are other parts within the X1 that make up the difference. Only way we will see that is in the games.
| Machiavellian said: Actually no thats not correct. The rumor states the NDA is between MS and AMD and Intel. Its AMD NDA because on the 29th they will be releasing info on their next APU/GPU that contains this discrete GPU. I forget what thread name it is but people can actually go read up on it that way at least we are all on the same page. Of course this is if anyone is mentioning the rumor of the dGPU. |
I stand corrected. I see the NDA on the FCC approval and persumed it was MS applying the NDA to hide their plans from Sony.
Looks like he didn't have to wait long!
He was the Creative Director at PeopleCanFly, developers of Gears of War Judgement :P (among others)
| Shinobi-san said: Theres quite a few people in the gaming community who do understand the gist of all the technical speak though and believe it or not its not really your qualification/degree that determines this but rather your interest and ability to learn. There are some people who know much more about PC hardware and architecture than me, yet i have studied the stuff. It also happens that a lot of people interested in gaming also happen to be interested in PC tec etc. So id say your 90% figure is a bit off. Anyways with regards to the PS4 vs Xbone power thing I think a lot of people have it wrong. People seem to think that either the PS4 is sooo much more powerfull that it's games are going to look so much better or that its not that much more powerful and the games will look very similar, something like this gen with PS3 vs. 360. From what i can tell though both arguments are wrong. Both arguments try and make it seem as if one is much better than it what it should seem. The PS4 does indeed have a significant theoretical performance over the Xbox One...a difference that is NOT similar to PS3 vs. 360. These systems are much more similar in architecture, much more easily comparable, and to top it off they are built by the same companies with the exact same tec. Same CPU, same GPU cores. etc. At the end of the day though the PS4 does indeed have a more beefier GPU and arguably a better memory solution (some will argue but meh weak arguments to be honest), this performance difference cant really be quanitified but comparing GPU's theres a ~30%? performance difference. If developers decide to use this then you will indeed see better games, better performing games or better effects or whatever. Will it be a mindblowing difference so apparent that your eyes will bleed? No. 30% is a lot but nothing compared to gen over gen or something like that. Will the differences be insignificant like PS3/360? No. Those systems were literally equal in real world performance. What the difference will be is somewhere more in between. Sometimes it will be more apparent, sometimes it wont be apparent etc. I guess i agree with you :? Not sure why im qouting you..oh well |
I feel you. In the end it will come down to the developers and what they can get out of the systems. The pontentially of ps4 1st party games looking better later on is greater simply because they have a better track record of pushing the hardware. Even then I think it will be closer especially with the 1st party developers growing significantly more on MS side compared to last gen.
JoeTheBro said:
LOL. I'm tagging this post in my sig. Should bring the laughs. |
What's so funny about it?
| JoeTheBro said: Yes 90% of people just copy and past things. That goes for both sides of the coin though. You admit you don't know this stuff so why in your first post do you just repeat what all the xbox guys post and say it's a fact? You guarantee it? As for telling me something, don't worry. I do know this stuff and I have a pretty good idea of how early next gen graphics will be. |
Not really this site but more so the internet people on youtube, n4g, ign, etc. Wasn't meaning to say anything as facts just how I think it will be. I wasn't talking directly to you, just in general.
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