I know which idea has done the most harm.  But Which do you think has done the most good?  For clarification... the god of Abraham is the God in Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Holy Books.   Yes, It all started with Abraham and his One God.  Ppl branched into many directions but it's the same idea.  I can't say a lot for christianity..  I read the red print: Christ's own words.  I beleive the red words have done a lot of good.  But the black print not so much.  Especially when you consider all the jewish, muslim, chistian wars and other acts christ would not have been kool with.

 

Karma is, I think, better.  You do good because you want good things to happen to you.  You don't cause harm for the same reason.  When some one screws you, and not in a good way, you let the world sort it out. 

 

What are your thoughts?  God of Abraham or Karma?

It doesn't matter if it has done more good than any other idea if it's true. And Christianity is true.

Slimebeast said: It doesn't matter if it has done more good than any other idea if it's true. And Christianity is true.

That's just thumping your bible.

Karma. I've never met a stripper named God of Abraham.

Karma, undoubtedly.

The god of abraham exported some horrible morals and ideas into much more civilized parts of the ancient world.

snyps said: I know which idea has done the most harm.  But Which do you think has done the most good?  For clarification... the god of Abraham is the God in Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Holy Books.   Yes, It all started with Abraham and his One God.  Ppl branched into many directions but it's the same idea.  I can't say a lot for christianity..  I read the red print: Christ's own words.  I beleive the red words have done a lot of good.  But the black print not so much.  Especially when you consider all the jewish, muslim, chistian wars and other acts christ would not have been kool with.   Karma is, I think, better.  You do good because you want good things to happen to you.  You don't cause harm for the same reason.  When some one screws you, and not in a good way, you let the world sort it out.    What are your thoughts?  God of Abraham or Karma?

There is no accountability for Karma.  When something goes wrong, when the world does not work out the way you thought it should or when your good deeds go unnoticed, people get bitter.  The problem with wanting people to do to you as you do to others is that its dependent on just that.

The bible teaches that you do good because you want to obtain Christ like personification.  Meaning you do not do good because you want to be notice, accepted or people to do the same for you.   You do good because that’s what Christ would do.  he seeks no justification for his action.  He seeks no glory and he does not seek anyone to accept his good deeds, he just does it.

 

Seeking good only to see it happen to you is actually a selfish want.  Most times people get bitter or dishearten when their good deeds go unnoticed because they are looking for the acceptance of Man. So for the people who seek the reward of their GOD, they feel its more dependable than seeking the reward of man.

snyps said: Slimebeast said: It doesn't matter if it has done more good than any other idea if it's true. And Christianity is true. That's just thumping your bible.

Not just thumping the bible, but partly.

The second sentence is what you describe as bible thumping, yes, and it's actually the core of Christianity, to claim that Christ is God. Yes, it could be described as bible thumping, but there's nothing wrong with that, it works that way. The Good News spread that way.

My first sentence though, has to do with what I think is the interesting part. Our search for truth. I am making a point about it, because I'm not primarily interested in comparing ideologies and beliefs and try to determine which is "better" for mankind by some contemporary, humanistic standards. I am interested in truth. And a Karmic worldview just doesn't make any sense.

The belief in karmic justice, that if somebody does wrong to you, "you let the world sort it out" is idiocy to me, because it's not just childish, but unlikely and unlogical, and so therefore it just can't be true, and that's why in my opinion it ultimately doesn't matter much, if any, if the belief in karmic justice by some measure causes people to behave in a "good" or "better" way than any other worldview.

badgenome said: Karma. I've never met a stripper named God of Abraham.

That's just because you are not gay/female-a female stripper cannot succeed with the name "God of Abraham"

karma is based on the principles of cause and effect.It makes it easier to reach awareness,to get independent,to grow up because there is no god you can hide behind and who can be missused as excuse for the own evil intention.
Several Bhuddism teachings were acceppted by modern western psychologist as very useful.

Abrahams God is based too much on arbritrariness(especially the muslim version).
A strange god who first was a racist(preferring jews as chosen people) unfair(abandoning them all for worshipping this golden cow-thing,though not all of them has worshipped the golden bull)
jealous(demanding people to sacrifice their children for him)merciless(punishing all egytians for the sins of few)
blasphemic(pretending to be more powerfull than chuck norris)
illogical(claiming to be almighty but unable to create a being that is more powerfull than he is)

in the sequel(bible nt) god abraham improved his behaviour,sent his son to forgive all our sins(but the positive effect of this isn't really working)sacrificed his own son(therefore judas and the jews can't be blamed for the death of jesus as it was gods plan to let his son die.they only did what he wanted to happen.

in the third part-quran(similar to
movies where the third part is usually the worst by far)
he sent a pedophile,massmurdering prophet whose hobbies were making war,enslaving non-muslim people(this tradition is still alive in sudan)killing jews and calling them sons of pigs and apes.
This time he changed even his name to Allah and he turned into a merciless guy who was just interessted in ruling the world.

comparing these facts i'd slightly tend to say that karma is better somehow.

comparing karma with the teachings of jesus i'd say they are equal.

I see karma as the work (or influence) of Abrahamic God.

Also, being good because you want to be a good person ( to be more like Christ) >>>> being good because you hope good things will happen to you later. One is like doing charity out of your good will and the other is like doing charity because you want people to admire you and gain publicity (like some celebs do)