Wow. Seriously, do you need to play video games? Have a TV? Get out of here. We don't need half the shit we buy and yet, it stays relevant and we keep on buying it. I have to give you credit for taking that "loyalty free" statement out of your sig though. You finally stepped up.

and other factor are to take into account now.... first 3billion+ went into the RRoD fiasco this won't happen this time....
I haven't check in detail for the current structure but before XB was counted in the entertainment division which included zune losses too...
and now the XB is part of the hardware division....

the 360 is profitable and XB1 will more than likely be even more since you won't have the issues like the RRoD they are launching probably at no loss or a very small one compared to last gen... and the brand is established no matter what hardcore gamers think.... this Christmas and the coming one XB1 will be a hot device.... mass media will be talking about it... and so many other factors will make it a money machine...

PS4 might be more profitable... but I don't feel any major threat on the brand....

Well Sony invested heavily in the PS Move, according to some people here even before the launch of the Wii. Yet they did not make it the "standard bundle" and it sold like... well ... it did not sell at all.

So as long as bundles guarantee the software support, I am fine with it. MS has enough problems with the X1 already, they don't need a PS Move-like debacle.

Primarily you buy a videogame console to play videogames, yes. Sony changed the methodology to bring people into gaming via multimedia and Microsoft came and followed suit upping the ante with multimedia whilst bringing proper online to the table. The Kinect sold more units than the original Xbox, I am sure, but thats because of quick casual holiday sales. Such high sales between 2010 to 2012 is a short period of time to have such high sales and then just have it drop off  of the face of the earth. If Kinect 2 is the same product just with more powerful graphics, it will do very little compared to the first when it comes to concrete gaming. Same multimedia controls, same rails games, same everything except it has a much more powerful sensor, sound and camera. 

P.S.

I changed my sig completely because it was old. I tried to put a picture up but it was too large for the sig. Just because I am stating my opinion about Microsoft's handling of the Xbox One pricing and the Kinect does that negate the fact that I am not loyal to any company. Don't go all ad hominem on me now, because I smell it coming on. I buy the console or consoles that impress me most and I have a feeling I will buy all three this gen, but really....I shouldn't even have to tell you this. Its not worth the time.

This is ffactually incorrect. You're assuming that every known Xbox that has been sold is still working or is being used since 05. I'm sure you're just joking though 

I base my answer on this as a mix of issues that hit the Wii and the PS Eye/Move. Sony started the living room motion control movement so they already provided us with all the info we need to figure out how far these devices can be pushed, because concretely (as far as is tech is concerned) Sony has already found the answer as to how to play core games accurately, but their investments in games for it are just shit, which like the Vita lakes the product virtually useless. The Move sold over ten million, I believe. The Eyetoy has been selling in iterations since 2004. The Wii yielded high sales for four years only to gas-out and diminish at the end of the four years. A five year cycle was smart for that console, because it wasn't going to have any legs without proper this party support once all the casual first party went dry.

Now force bundling will guarantee software support, or at the very least more "Better with Kinect" features. I presume it will be the latter since now companies can think about this as a long-run investment.When we're looking at concrete value, again its the same product just more powerful. If it lived up to its promise, we would be playing Ryse on it at launch.

Again, to respond to your point about MS the "PS Move-like debacle",  Sony profited off of the Move (which is why they've created a new PS Eye), I am sure, but because of their lack of games and commercialization it just hasn't been a commercial hit. Sony needs to change their casual marketing image, industrial design and publishing routine. Trust me, I have enough criticisim of Sonys handling of the Move to last me a lifetime.

If you've ever seen Jack Tretton's videos he's stated that he wants people to have the power to choose for themselves and keep the console at an affordable price for the majority who don't want the casual item. This will allow the rest to just enjoy their console. I understand the good in that, but the bad in it is that they've created a very potent product, which has more potential than any of their competition, yet has done absolutely nothing with it. The Vita can run circles around the 3DS technically (it's basically a pocket PS3), but are we seeing any games for it? No.

The Move needs better first party support. Sony R&D has already done their job with the quality of the product and its purpose, but again...without games and marketing its a lost cause on consumers and themselves.

Primarily you buy a videogame console to play videogames, yes.

I didn't say otherwise.. Not sure why you lead the response with an obvious statement. In fact... Your response has little to do with what I said at all. Here, I'll copy and paste it for you. Well, the important part anyway.

"Wow. Seriously, do you need to play video games? Have a TV? Get out of here. We don't need half the shit we buy and yet, it stays relevant and we keep on buying it."

I want a response to that. To why the Iphone keeps selling so well yet we do not need it. Tablets have boomed too in recent years as have paying extra to go see a movie in 3-D in the cinemas, we don't need these tings, yet, here they are. MS CAN keep the Kinect relevant if they chose too and if everything fell in their favour. Not sure why you're so intent on denying it even a chance!!

I haven't really believed you about the loyalty free thing for a while, but you don't feel the need to discuss it so I'll drop it then. Kudos to you if you do indeed pick up all 3 consoles this gen. I hope you prove me wrong.

I didn't realize you were writing a rhetorical question for your underlined point.

As for the Iphone question, Iphone branding is just apart of the smart phone phenomenon with multimedia features. Everyone wants the all in one item to make their life easier, especially in America. Do we need it? No, but we want it because simpler is better for those who want it and can afford it. 3D has become a mainstay in cinema because of the uprising of CG taking over action films and family movies. Movie theatres gauge it by stand-alone sales not forced sales. Theres no need for 3D in a dramatic film.Theres a reason why they have staying power and that is because of certain types of movies. The Kinect, much like the Wii are just additions that should be optional, just like those things.

Dance Central is the only game I've seen where Microsoft has truly found an answer for the Kinect's use that should yield stable sales other than Kinect sports. I love that game, but the crowd that was buying Dance Central was a very minor crowd out of the 25 million buyers. I think that game is the proper successor to DDR. My friends and I got competitive while playing that. Dancing while in range of the camera is the extend of what I think the Kinect does and it does it well.

As for the point about owning all three consoles, yes the chances are rather high that I will invest in all three. I am no fan of a casual Nintendo console and yes, I have owned all Nintendo home consoles except the Wii. I've also owned every Xbox at some point in time. My only technical mark off is the Wii in saying I've owned everything from the big three.

If it's meaningless why'd you use it as an argument?

I think Kinect was a great idea. Most of the non-hardcore gaming people that came to my house were thoroughly impressed with it, too. Of 70 million Xbox 360 owners, only 20 something million bought Kinect. I don't know what percentage of them were disappointed. Personally, I loved mine and still use it to this day. Kinect was possibly the most successful peripheral of all time. At $150 a pop, 1/4 of Xbox owners snatched it up.

The way I see it, Kinect 2.0 will lure in those gamers that were curious about the hardware and those that could care less STILL have to buy Kinect. Not only that, with 100% of Xbox One owners in possession of Kinect, developers can rest easy knowing that they're selling to 100% of the Xbox One userbase and not just the 20 million or so users that bought it as an add on. That also means that any game they make for PS4 can be ported to the Xbox One BUT not every game they make for Xbox One can be ported to the PS4....unless they want to cater to what will be a small percentage of Eyetoy users.

The PS4 will still win in sales but I think the appeal of Kinect in every box has been underestimated.