So true, the Move has so much potential, but they are squandering all that positive thought and R&D. They need to give consumers a good reason to buy it so third party can have faith in invest in it. Their marketing needs to be increased big time. I agree with everything you said about the Kinect and Wii but the Wii Motion plus put on par with the Move in terms of 1:1 motion tracking but the Move still has the camera tracking the motion sensors instead of just a standard infrared sensor bar. I know people who only use the Move for multiplayer in KZ3. That is crazy accurate. I can understand you completely as well on why the Move has collected dust. What a damn shame.

Funny enough, I've had a Kinect yet have never had a Move because I dance, so I invested in the Dance Central franchise (gave that away though when I got rid of my 360). My friend has the Move, so I used it but was just waiting for games to come along for it. The things you can do and manipulate in a 3D realm is just crazy. Watching R&D movies of that thing was so revolutionary.

Kinect is unique and a differentiator in this grey future of convergent devices. Whatever your opinion of the gameplay aspect, I think the actual interface and physical/voice interaction with your network devices is intriguing after having seen similar in many sci-fi movies.

I just want to be clear that I never said MS is going anywhere.  I said Xbox would go the way of the Zune, or become a stripped down media streaming box with little to no graphical upgrades next gen.

Maybe for the same reason you act like the Sony "started living room motion control gaming".

" However it is the third generation of Xbox and MS is still hemorging money to keep this brand afloat."

No they're not, they've been profiting in the EDD, specifically Xbox for the last SIX years. I really wish these fucking journalists would do their research.

IMO the smart thing to do, would be to do the exact same thing they did this gen.  They should have:

-Released the console at $350 to undercut the PS4.

-Spent none of their time worrying about Kinect so they can hopefully launch a full month or two ahead of the PS4.

-Work on Kinect 2.0 once the console is out and wait for the price to drop to $200.

-Once they have a $200 SKU they could bundle Kinect with the console for $300 once again and breath new life into the console as casuals buy it.

Kinect was a great way to hold off the PS3 for another year and keep sales up.  But now it has become an anchor holding sales down.  People do realize no casuals would have bought the Wii at $500 right?

"Act"...is such a funny word. I never said anything about starting living room motion control gaming. If you're talking about camera based motion controlling, then you would be correct. Camera...not sensor based motion gaming. Nintendo has been in investing in that since the 80's. :)

Well said. Even though I am PS fanboy but I will not deny the truth. Going out of business is not that easy.

I feel MS are hoping they can repeat the same game changer at the time, when the Wii came out. The Wii took them all by surprise and that's a rare thing.

The risk here is:

People now know about motion control. Also Kinect 2.0 is not an original idea.

Kinect 2.0 is a lot more expensive to make than a Wii remote. The point is, Nintendo also made money on the hardware out of the gate. People didn't care about HD graphics because hardly any of us had HD TV's at the time

The X1's main direct competitor is the PS4 which appears to have a strategy of emphasising the game hardware and social aspects. The X1 needs to do all that plus sell the idea to every gamer that Kinect is so much better for games.

Hence why MS are pushing Kinect for the living room just as much as for use in games. Product differentiation. Which then brings us full circle back to how the Wii pulled off just that - product differentiation. However the Wii was completely different to the rest. That's the difference, I think.

I can't see MS doing a Wii here :)

You just said it in a post earlier in the thread.

It is adorable to read so many qualifiers so there is something to give Sony credit for though.

Of course, you're the same guy who has said Sony's handheld interaction with a home console is still innovative and new even though Nintendo did it a generation earlier, because the technology is more advanced. Yet somehow the Kinect doesn't get that same benefit of the doubt.