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Nyleveia said:
Soundwave said:

Shame on Japan honestly and shame on Nintendo for the way they've marketed this.

I never expected this to be a big hit or anything, but sub 6000 copies is ridiculous for a fanbase that's "starved for games" (or so I'm told). 


Dont blame the Japanese, we dont want the bloody console so why would we want its games?

Sales are generally bad because nobody keeps the console here long enough to buy more games, unlike fans over in the us sitting on a game-less console for months on end you go a month here without any games and its the last straw, console is being ditched left and right by adults and kids alike, bad enough so that most of the second hand stores i know of here no longer accept wiiu trade ins for hardware because they cant sell them on with any meaningful profit as nobody bites.


is it really that bad over there?cause if it is explains a lot



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outlawauron said:
Putin said:
For a game that look like indie-game but cost how much?

1.5x the budget for Bayonetta and that didn't do very well. Had to hit a very low price point to achieve the majority of its 2 million sales.

I meant 60$ retail price. For a game that have 15$ production value.

Funny thing that new DKC is priced 50$.



Nyleveia said:
Soundwave said:

Shame on Japan honestly and shame on Nintendo for the way they've marketed this.

I never expected this to be a big hit or anything, but sub 6000 copies is ridiculous for a fanbase that's "starved for games" (or so I'm told). 


Dont blame the Japanese, we dont want the bloody console so why would we want its games?

Sales are generally bad because nobody keeps the console here long enough to buy more games, unlike fans over in the us sitting on a game-less console for months on end you go a month here without any games and its the last straw, console is being ditched left and right by adults and kids alike, bad enough so that most of the second hand stores i know of here no longer accept wiiu trade ins for hardware because they cant sell them on with any meaningful profit as nobody bites.

Hmmm good points.



oniyide said:
Nyleveia said:
Soundwave said:

Shame on Japan honestly and shame on Nintendo for the way they've marketed this.

I never expected this to be a big hit or anything, but sub 6000 copies is ridiculous for a fanbase that's "starved for games" (or so I'm told). 


Dont blame the Japanese, we dont want the bloody console so why would we want its games?

Sales are generally bad because nobody keeps the console here long enough to buy more games, unlike fans over in the us sitting on a game-less console for months on end you go a month here without any games and its the last straw, console is being ditched left and right by adults and kids alike, bad enough so that most of the second hand stores i know of here no longer accept wiiu trade ins for hardware because they cant sell them on with any meaningful profit as nobody bites.


is it really that bad over there?cause if it is explains a lot

You can buy a premium wiiu here for 9000y less than retail, but they sit on store shelves untouched - my local used game stop last week dropped ALL of their basics to 14,000y ($138) and ALL of their premiums to 19,000y ($189), and not a single freaking one has sold as of today when i checked in to rifle through their snes cart collection.

When people here want nintendo games they buy a 3DS, nobody here needs or wants the WiiU anymore,  PS4 is getting some advertising but not much, Xbox One is virtually unheard of.

But the situation is such that I genuinely believe its too far gone for any collection of games to save it.

It doesnt matter what they release, because the best any game is going to sell is sub 1 million because the userbase is smaller than the total number of consoles sold - if we guestimate that one in twenty (conservative) sold the console rather than keep it, then thats already 150,000 - 300,000 less potential buyers, 300,000 - 600,000 if we go for a high estimate of one in ten.

People arent going to want to hear this of course, they prefer the emu approach of pretending everythings peachy.



Nyleveia said:
oniyide said:
Nyleveia said:
Soundwave said:

Shame on Japan honestly and shame on Nintendo for the way they've marketed this.

I never expected this to be a big hit or anything, but sub 6000 copies is ridiculous for a fanbase that's "starved for games" (or so I'm told). 


Dont blame the Japanese, we dont want the bloody console so why would we want its games?

Sales are generally bad because nobody keeps the console here long enough to buy more games, unlike fans over in the us sitting on a game-less console for months on end you go a month here without any games and its the last straw, console is being ditched left and right by adults and kids alike, bad enough so that most of the second hand stores i know of here no longer accept wiiu trade ins for hardware because they cant sell them on with any meaningful profit as nobody bites.


is it really that bad over there?cause if it is explains a lot

You can buy a premium wiiu here for 9000y less than retail, but they sit on store shelves untouched - my local used game stop last week dropped ALL of their basics to 14,000y ($138) and ALL of their premiums to 19,000y ($189), and not a single freaking one has sold as of today when i checked in to rifle through their snes cart collection.

When people here want nintendo games they buy a 3DS, nobody here needs or wants the WiiU anymore,  PS4 is getting some advertising but not much, Xbox One is virtually unheard of.

But the situation is such that I genuinely believe its too far gone for any collection of games to save it.

It doesnt matter what they release, because the best any game is going to sell is sub 1 million because the userbase is smaller than the total number of consoles sold - if we guestimate that one in twenty (conservative) sold the console rather than keep it, then thats already 150,000 - 300,000 less potential buyers, 300,000 - 600,000 if we go for a high estimate of one in ten.

People arent going to want to hear this of course, they prefer the emu approach of pretending everythings peachy.

Really great insights into the Japanese market, thank you for that. Seems like the Wii U situation is really dire there.



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oniyide said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:


For a Japanese game since they were so far behind in tech last gen that was just above profit level (which nothing to talk about for a console that sold so much, and rather quickly ). That and the Wii base was way larger by the time Madworld came out. What was that like two to three years in? The profit level demands were much lower so they cannot be compared. This game will demand much more profit than Madworld.

considering Madworld sold for under 5 bucks for half its shelf life i dont think it even made a profit, id be surprised if it broke even. it was cheaper to make but to the point where selling for 2 bucks new they made money?doubt it, hell its 50 cents now, shipping cost more.


Thats nuts. I mean, its pretty much a given why Platinum Games titles should never be exclusive to any platform. Platinum needs multiplat sales to sell properly. Its too niche of a brand. Platinum Games titles are the homage to the old school , ultra fast, arcade, hack-n-slash, Sega loving gamer.



Soundwave said:
Nyleveia said:
oniyide said:
Nyleveia said:
Soundwave said:

Shame on Japan honestly and shame on Nintendo for the way they've marketed this.

I never expected this to be a big hit or anything, but sub 6000 copies is ridiculous for a fanbase that's "starved for games" (or so I'm told). 


Dont blame the Japanese, we dont want the bloody console so why would we want its games?

Sales are generally bad because nobody keeps the console here long enough to buy more games, unlike fans over in the us sitting on a game-less console for months on end you go a month here without any games and its the last straw, console is being ditched left and right by adults and kids alike, bad enough so that most of the second hand stores i know of here no longer accept wiiu trade ins for hardware because they cant sell them on with any meaningful profit as nobody bites.


is it really that bad over there?cause if it is explains a lot

You can buy a premium wiiu here for 9000y less than retail, but they sit on store shelves untouched - my local used game stop last week dropped ALL of their basics to 14,000y ($138) and ALL of their premiums to 19,000y ($189), and not a single freaking one has sold as of today when i checked in to rifle through their snes cart collection.

When people here want nintendo games they buy a 3DS, nobody here needs or wants the WiiU anymore,  PS4 is getting some advertising but not much, Xbox One is virtually unheard of.

But the situation is such that I genuinely believe its too far gone for any collection of games to save it.

It doesnt matter what they release, because the best any game is going to sell is sub 1 million because the userbase is smaller than the total number of consoles sold - if we guestimate that one in twenty (conservative) sold the console rather than keep it, then thats already 150,000 - 300,000 less potential buyers, 300,000 - 600,000 if we go for a high estimate of one in ten.

People arent going to want to hear this of course, they prefer the emu approach of pretending everythings peachy.

Really great insights into the Japanese market, thank you for that. Seems like the Wii U situation is really dire there.

Its very telling that in the japanese market, ps3, 3ds and vita games, and the rarer wii games hold their value extremely well - a used vita/3ds game is barely 1000y cheaper than retail shelf price, often sub 500y cheaper.

WiiU titles however can be picked up for up to 60% off retail price - For example i purchased a used copy of Picmin 3, A DAY AFTER IT WAS RELEASED, for 2000y cheaper.

WiiU titles do not hold their price well because nobody is buying them, thus stores wont offer decent amounts because its touch and go if theyll actually be able to sell it again.

Bic camera, yamada, ito yokado, aeon and nojima are all gradually downsizing their wiiu sections too, a few weeks after launch most of these stores had two to three shelves dedicated to the console, now youre lucky to find a single shelf that is wiiu-only from top to bottom.

To put this in to perspective, my local (and very large) Aeon has a paulty 2 rows of one shelf for wiiu, with the rest of the game-boxes on the shelf being for peripherals, cables, protective covers and other cheap nonsense, with the bottom row of said shelf having nothing but boxes of 3ds styluses.



Nyleveia said:
Soundwave said:
Nyleveia said:
oniyide said:
Nyleveia said:
Soundwave said:

Shame on Japan honestly and shame on Nintendo for the way they've marketed this.

I never expected this to be a big hit or anything, but sub 6000 copies is ridiculous for a fanbase that's "starved for games" (or so I'm told). 


Dont blame the Japanese, we dont want the bloody console so why would we want its games?

Sales are generally bad because nobody keeps the console here long enough to buy more games, unlike fans over in the us sitting on a game-less console for months on end you go a month here without any games and its the last straw, console is being ditched left and right by adults and kids alike, bad enough so that most of the second hand stores i know of here no longer accept wiiu trade ins for hardware because they cant sell them on with any meaningful profit as nobody bites.


is it really that bad over there?cause if it is explains a lot

You can buy a premium wiiu here for 9000y less than retail, but they sit on store shelves untouched - my local used game stop last week dropped ALL of their basics to 14,000y ($138) and ALL of their premiums to 19,000y ($189), and not a single freaking one has sold as of today when i checked in to rifle through their snes cart collection.

When people here want nintendo games they buy a 3DS, nobody here needs or wants the WiiU anymore,  PS4 is getting some advertising but not much, Xbox One is virtually unheard of.

But the situation is such that I genuinely believe its too far gone for any collection of games to save it.

It doesnt matter what they release, because the best any game is going to sell is sub 1 million because the userbase is smaller than the total number of consoles sold - if we guestimate that one in twenty (conservative) sold the console rather than keep it, then thats already 150,000 - 300,000 less potential buyers, 300,000 - 600,000 if we go for a high estimate of one in ten.

People arent going to want to hear this of course, they prefer the emu approach of pretending everythings peachy.

Really great insights into the Japanese market, thank you for that. Seems like the Wii U situation is really dire there.

Its very telling that in the japanese market, ps3, 3ds and vita games, and the rarer wii games hold their value extremely well - a used vita/3ds game is barely 1000y cheaper than retail shelf price, often sub 500y cheaper.

WiiU titles however can be picked up for up to 60% off retail price - For example i purchased a used copy of Picmin 3, A DAY AFTER IT WAS RELEASED, for 2000y cheaper.

WiiU titles do not hold their price well because nobody is buying them, thus stores wont offer decent amounts because its touch and go if theyll actually be able to sell it again.

Bic camera, yamada, ito yokado, aeon and nojima are all gradually downsizing their wiiu sections too, a few weeks after launch most of these stores had two to three shelves dedicated to the console, now youre lucky to find a single shelf that is wiiu-only from top to bottom.

To put this in to perspective, my local (and very large) Aeon has a paulty 2 rows of one shelf for wiiu, with the rest of the game-boxes on the shelf being for peripherals, cables, protective covers and other cheap nonsense, with the bottom row of said shelf having nothing but boxes of 3ds styluses.

ill 2nd the great insight part. Its good to see some perspective from the other side. We forget how different it is between the US, Europe and Japan. Its a little shocking to me, because i would have thought it anyone had patience and give it a chance, it would be Japan. I think in the US people figured they already invested alot so might as well stick it out.

Crazy thing is the shelf space situation aint that much different here either from what ive seen, some people wont acknowledge it but its the truth. Its not as bad as over there but the WIi has far more shelf space. GameStop, Best Buy have one corner dedicated to Wii U anything.



oniyide said:
Nyleveia said:
Soundwave said:
Nyleveia said:
oniyide said:
Nyleveia said:
Soundwave said:

Shame on Japan honestly and shame on Nintendo for the way they've marketed this.

I never expected this to be a big hit or anything, but sub 6000 copies is ridiculous for a fanbase that's "starved for games" (or so I'm told). 


Dont blame the Japanese, we dont want the bloody console so why would we want its games?

Sales are generally bad because nobody keeps the console here long enough to buy more games, unlike fans over in the us sitting on a game-less console for months on end you go a month here without any games and its the last straw, console is being ditched left and right by adults and kids alike, bad enough so that most of the second hand stores i know of here no longer accept wiiu trade ins for hardware because they cant sell them on with any meaningful profit as nobody bites.


is it really that bad over there?cause if it is explains a lot

You can buy a premium wiiu here for 9000y less than retail, but they sit on store shelves untouched - my local used game stop last week dropped ALL of their basics to 14,000y ($138) and ALL of their premiums to 19,000y ($189), and not a single freaking one has sold as of today when i checked in to rifle through their snes cart collection.

When people here want nintendo games they buy a 3DS, nobody here needs or wants the WiiU anymore,  PS4 is getting some advertising but not much, Xbox One is virtually unheard of.

But the situation is such that I genuinely believe its too far gone for any collection of games to save it.

It doesnt matter what they release, because the best any game is going to sell is sub 1 million because the userbase is smaller than the total number of consoles sold - if we guestimate that one in twenty (conservative) sold the console rather than keep it, then thats already 150,000 - 300,000 less potential buyers, 300,000 - 600,000 if we go for a high estimate of one in ten.

People arent going to want to hear this of course, they prefer the emu approach of pretending everythings peachy.

Really great insights into the Japanese market, thank you for that. Seems like the Wii U situation is really dire there.

Its very telling that in the japanese market, ps3, 3ds and vita games, and the rarer wii games hold their value extremely well - a used vita/3ds game is barely 1000y cheaper than retail shelf price, often sub 500y cheaper.

WiiU titles however can be picked up for up to 60% off retail price - For example i purchased a used copy of Picmin 3, A DAY AFTER IT WAS RELEASED, for 2000y cheaper.

WiiU titles do not hold their price well because nobody is buying them, thus stores wont offer decent amounts because its touch and go if theyll actually be able to sell it again.

Bic camera, yamada, ito yokado, aeon and nojima are all gradually downsizing their wiiu sections too, a few weeks after launch most of these stores had two to three shelves dedicated to the console, now youre lucky to find a single shelf that is wiiu-only from top to bottom.

To put this in to perspective, my local (and very large) Aeon has a paulty 2 rows of one shelf for wiiu, with the rest of the game-boxes on the shelf being for peripherals, cables, protective covers and other cheap nonsense, with the bottom row of said shelf having nothing but boxes of 3ds styluses.

ill 2nd the great insight part. Its good to see some perspective from the other side. We forget how different it is between the US, Europe and Japan. Its a little shocking to me, because i would have thought it anyone had patience and give it a chance, it would be Japan. I think in the US people figured they already invested alot so might as well stick it out.

Crazy thing is the shelf space situation aint that much different here either from what ive seen, some people wont acknowledge it but its the truth. Its not as bad as over there but the WIi has far more shelf space. GameStop, Best Buy have one corner dedicated to Wii U anything.

the 3ds is the wiius problem, thats the thing, almost all the games you see lately have a 3ds version, and that diminishes the need for the console - nobody gives a freaking shit about the tablet here, quite litterally - they have their 3ds and theyre happy to play nintendo games on that, kids dont want wiius here, my neighbours a school teacher and when i talk to him all he ever brings up is how the kids are hooked on portable gaming, they had a school day a few weeks ago where kids could bring in their games consoles to write up a report on their favorite games, as incentive to do well they were given the first half of the day to play on their games, and this was an entire year of the school (300 or more kids), other than the occasional ps3 and wii, everyone brought in a psp, vita or 3ds

not a single kid brought a wiiu with them.



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