Na, not much has changed. Only people fed up are but hurt fanboys. What he said on stage was nothing but the truth it wouldn't even have been that bad if it wasn't for the crowd, just stating facts

@ Mmmmfishtacos.

That's just it, even the crowd for the most part found it awkward, (very few laughed) and the show was awful, perhaps the crowd knew that this indie indie indie indie and erm....... did i mention INDIE nonsense was way too much.

There's something in the air, all the sites i go to tonnes of folk are changing their pre-order from a ps4 to an X1.

So if the gaming man (us who follow gaming news online etc passionately) is willing to forgive and forget (just like they did with ps3 and it's OTT original price and their arrogance) it's gonna be a breeze to get the common man back on board.

Not sure if you are just hoping that the situation has changed significantly. I am sure a few more will be XboxOnes because of FIFA and other reasons... but I'm not convinced the pendulum has swung as you suggest. Just go and look on main shopping sites, nothing has really changed significantly by the looks of things.

Also trying to compare Indie's (i.e Games) and TV... come on... they are not the same thing at all. Indie games are in fact regardless of how you might try and spin it... games.

Indie games and XBLA in general did not count this gen apparently Madworld, well, not until Sony went indie crazy over the last few months.

The bottom line is...... when these two machines release, the everyday man on the street is gonna find the X1's launch line up far more appealing than ps4's.

All those indie games are fine and dandy, but they are not going to be on shop shelves in a box and a retail disc are they.

Oh, and fair enough, the pendulum had not swung period, but it sure as hell has started swinging again

PS4 is still cheaper, so naturally it will look more attractive on shelves than Xbox One.

Yeah the everyday man will see the launch line ups, maybe even find Xbone's more appealing. Then he'll make a glimpse at the price tag, his eyes will melt from the 500$ and he'll exit the shop with a PS4 and still be very happy with his purchase.

@ Pezus.

I'm playing an indie game right now (Charlie Murder) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska_Studios both Charlie Murder and Dishwasher: Vampire smile are exceptional games IMO.

But again, these games are not on shop shelves.

The general view was that a lot were not happy with how much emphasis sony put on indie games in their conference.

A machine with such power, and all they talked about were 32 bit games (more than that i know, but you get the jist).

It just left a bad taste in a fair few peoples mouths who were still undecided about which next gen console to get.

And a fair few sony die hards were peeved off too.

Games are games, regardless of where they are at. I have a PC/Mac/Vita/Ps3/Xbox/Tablet (apple and android)... I get games where ever i get them because i am a gamer. I don't think people should dismiss anything.... 

The funny thing is that MS might have been doing indie games but for the last few years have been pretty critical of that market place, and for XboxOne were not even looking like they were actually giving two-hoots about it. In fact developers have been complaining about the indie market place and it's listing on the Xbox360 for the last few years. Having been interested in self publishing on the Xbox, I found it to be completely random/mess (same with the approval process). Then MS get rid of XNA and fail to tell anyone (until recently) how it might work in the future - and in fact they still havent.

Bottom line is that when these two machines launch, XboxOne will only have 1 more AAA exclusive than Sony.... and let's be honest on the whole many people will not think a game like Killer Instinct is a console killer... so is the Xbox line up more appealing than Sony's - not any more than Sony's lineup is more appealing than MS's.

Both consoles seem the same at launch except the following (without adding console bias):

1. PS4 is cheaper

2. PS4 is meant to be more powerful

3. PS4 will have more indie games at launch

4. PS4 will be available in more countries

Hey, i'm sure the price will help the ps4 to some degree.

But look, the ps3 was $600 at one point, and it still eventually took second.

Xbox is very much established now (from 25 million xbox's to like  78 million and growing for 360's).

I just don't think it's going to be anywhere near the slaughter that a lot of sony fans think it is going to be.