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kowenicki said:

He's right of course. But he is now forever doomed to be hated by the Luddites.


No he is liked again because he said something bad about Kinect.



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Adinnieken said:
badgenome said:
A little bit unjustified... does that mean it was mostly justified?

Carmack is a smart guy, but this is kind of dumb. The consumer can't be wrong.

The consumer is often wrong, they're just obstinate and believe their right.


I believe the reason he's saying the customer can't be wrong is because of the at the end of the day the dollars from the consumers show where the industry is headed.



RolStoppable said:
Adinnieken said:
RolStoppable said:

More like:

1) Carmack is a PC man.
2) Once Carmack was forced to move to consoles, he obviously gravitated towards Xbox, because it is like a PC.
3) Since he wants Xbox to succeed, he will sugarcoat whatever Microsoft is planning to do.
4) His speech at Quakecon confirms his bias.

Quake was on the N64 before it was ever on a Microsoft console.  Before that Wolfenstien 3D and DOOM were both on the SNES long before they were ever on Microsoft consoles.

Yeah, and? Ports long after the original release are a different story than going multiplat.

Oh boo hoo!  It took 2 years for DOOM to arrive on the N64.  It took 21 years for it to arrive on the Commadore VIC-20.  The SNES got a port in 1994, it took the Xbox 360 18 years after release before it got a port! 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Adinnieken said:
badgenome said:
A little bit unjustified... does that mean it was mostly justified?

Carmack is a smart guy, but this is kind of dumb. The consumer can't be wrong.

The consumer is often wrong, they're just obstinate and believe their right.


I believe the reason he's saying the customer can't be wrong is because of the at the end of the day the dollars from the consumers show where the industry is headed.

Yes and no.  Millions of dollars pour into new gasoline vehicles, but the industry is headed away from petrol-powered vehicles.

While the saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink," sometimes he'll realize how thirsty he really is.  The mobile phone market was driving toward cheap phones.  Yet in the face of that Apple released a $500 phone that, even subsidized, cost over $300.  And while most people hated iTunes before the iPhone, and they continue to hate iTunes today, they buy iPhones and install and use iTunes to sync their devices, download music, movies, TV shows, books, apps, and games. 

You see, despite the consumer, if you make something compelling enough (the cost of fuel savings with hybrid or electric cars, or the benefit of having all the features of a computer in your hand with a smartphone) people forget what they don't like.



In order to go all DD, the world needs to both up their internet speeds IMMENSELY and have ZERO caps. As long as there are caps, there is no DD and there is also no way someone is going to want to download 50GB games on a regular basis at the speeds we currently use. Why wait an entire day to download something that I can go and buy in 10 min on a disc? It's pointless.

If we go all DD, it won't be for a very long time. Unless they just want to shrink the entire industry by 80%



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The problem was not digital games.
It was paying almost the same price as for a hard copy game but not getting one and not being able to play your digital game on different consoles.
And even not being able to play your hard copy games on your friends consoles.

If he calls not liking that an unjustified opinion, then he isn't a real console gamer.
Or he just doesn't have friends he plays games with.
Nothing beats local multiplayer or playing games together at home and lending games to friends.



''Hadouken!''

Sorry Carmack, but the best thing for users will always be to be able to CHOOSE. This doesn't mean rejecting new solutions, but people must be free to accept them only if benefits exceed drawbacks for their tastes and needs. Patronising attitude towards users and trying to force-feed them won't help new solutions' acceptance,



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Stwike him, Centuwion. Stwike him vewy wuffly! (Pontius Pilate, "Life of Brian")
A fart without stink is like a sky without stars.
TGS, Third Grade Shooter: brand new genre invented by Kevin Butler exclusively for Natal WiiToo Kinect. PEW! PEW-PEW-PEW!