yes the 3ds is kicking butt, but dont for a second kid yourself and say its because of 3d its kicking butt DESPITE it, it kicked butt because games came AND it got a price cut. Which is the same reasons why WIi U will do better. If people really cared for the 3d that thing would have been doing much better from the start and Ninty wouldnt have to cut its price so soon. 

Im not negatively speculating anything all im saying is that besides maybe Pikmin 3(not a big franchise anyway) and X(which we know nothing about) none of those games are most likely going to use the pad in a significant, not in way that will get people who werent going to buy those games interested. I dont know this for 100% sure, just like you dont know if the WII u pad will get its killer app. But im 90% sure judging by Ninty's own history, outside of the WIi series most of their wii games didnt use the wiimote in any significant way. Hell NSMBU is a 2d plat that doesnt use the pad in any significant way, and id bet it will be the same for the other games in that genre.

W101 up in the air, but thats gonna move little consoles anyway, so lets not kid ourselves their.

Mario 3d land, the one on 3ds didnt use the 2nd screen in any big way i dont see that changing for the WII u version especially since it seems to be made even faster than the 3ds one.

sonic lost world same

MK8 i think they should go back to that wheel sure it was broken but hell people loved it.

X? thats gonna be a JRPG which doesnt have a massive fanbase in the US anyway unless your called Final Fantasy. Again it doesnt matter if Ninty only has that feature its not helping it now, so I dont see how it will help them in the future.

Also im not saying those games wont sell, im saying they will sell despite it, because people want to play the next iteration of those series not because it has a gamepad. Hell thats why i want to play them.

There have been systems in the past that brought games and price cuts that still got crushed by systems offering all the same features plus some. So if 3Ds had no 3D, and Wii U had no touchscreen. What would it have? Compare 3Ds and Wii U to their competition pretending they had no exclusive features. Would the 3Ds have built a nice library by being a dualscreen psp ? Would the Wii U take on next gen by being a 1080p 60fps ps360? Nintendo doesn't have a car business on the side, or w/e, to fund losses like mega-corps sony and ms. They must rely on creativity not supercomputing.


The tablet interface is the future, nothing this simple is going on the back burner. Pikmin 3 may prove it, maybe X. Nobody knows. Maybe as a rear view mirror in an online MK. We'll see. You mentioned a touchscreen being single player for now, but that doesnt stop anyone from playing multiplayer on traditional dual analog controls. There's no question that only positives come from having a touchscreen.

Please cool down a bit. I don't think he was trying to rationalize the Wii U's failure. I think he's trying to look at what good (for Nintendo) can come out of a bad first year and just asking for our opinions. After all, he didn't make any points in defense of its failure. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Sony postpone the launch of the PS3 after the Wii was revealed? Next thing we heard, the DualShock3 no longer had vibrational feedback in order for it to have SIXAXIS motion controls.

  In response to the OP: No, I don't think it has helped much. If anything, it might cost third party support for the rest of the generation and I think the other 2 companies already decided their market strategies very carefully, and neither is prioritizing motion controls, second screens or any other thing they feel is gimmicky as a major selling point. Even MS isn't pretending that the Kinect 2.0 is a huge selling point. I personally hope they do well, but I think they messed up by not making the system at least a bit more powerful. At least.

Its not so much about crushing enemies but about simply not sucking in sales. Dont know why people get so fixated on that point. 3ds still would have beaten the Vita BUT it still would have missed Ninty projections and not made them money if they didnt get a price cut and games, that wouldnt be a success. If the WIi U is selling as badly as it is for the rest of the year and the ps4 xbone does just as bad or worst no one will say its a success they will say that they are all sucking. but you right about them needing to be creative. 

Motion controls went on the backburner and that was actually popular, why would you think tablet interface cant go on the backburner but the actual popular device did? Looking at Pikmin sales in Japan and the preorders for US I dont think it will prove anything. Rear view mirror in MK8 how the hell would that work? would you have to look away from the screen to look into it? that could be a cool but cumbersome feature but i dont have faith that Ninty will go that hard. If not everyone could enjoy the benefits of this awesome tablet then whats the point? come on you know thats foolish. imagine if you could only use ONE wiimote with wii.

Sorry it took me so long. I saw your reply and couldn't come up with a response. You misunderstood me actually. Right or wrong I was suggesting that if Wii U or 3DS had no exclusive features then they'd be crushed. Just like dreamcast, xbox, and gamecube were crushed by ps2. You are stating that 3D has nothing to do with 3DS success and touchscreen is not needed for Wii U to succeed. I'd like to get a response from you on how well they would do without those features! But if you can't answer then we have nothing left to discuss.


For pikmin 3 and mk8, probably you're right. Time will tell that's all. I really can't see it happening either. All I know is I haven't played them yet so I'm reserving my judgement and remaining hopeful.


Now, you asked why wouldn't the touchscreen be put on the backburner like the more popular motion control. I already answered that. The reason is, the touchscreen adds to the traditional dual analog controller, where as, the wii remote subracts from it. I can see if there is no demand and the expense is to high then sure, you have a point, the touchscreen could go on the backburner. My point is that having a touchscreen on your dual analog controller doesn't hinder the user who likes dual analog controls. So, I admit you have a point. It won't stay if users don't care about it because even though it all positives to the user, it's not worth to cost to the manufacturer. Ergo backburner like you said.


And for the discussion about it being silly for one person to have the 'alpha' controller while the other players are stuck with standard controllers. I see where it's a little weird. It just doesn't actually make a difference except in your head. There's no difference between using two ps3 controllers split-screen and using one gamepad and one pro controller split-screen (except that you don't have to split a screen). So, one more time, you are not subtracting anything from the dual analog experience when you add touchscreen. It's just hard for ppl to accept change. Please do address my questions from the first paragraph. Thank you.

you're comparing a home consoles to portables, thats already flawed. SNES and PS1 didnt get crushed. they needed no crazy features. The WIi U is getting crushed right now WITH those features...by consoles that have been around for years...by a lot! So that much mean the features it has isnt really worth that much of a damn. It would be doing just as bad with it but slightly worst, which is kinda sad if you think about it. Its already doing bad with its unique feature, think about how crazy that is. The 3DS was in a similar not so bad position, clearly not enough people cared about 3d which is why Ninty rushed some stuff out and dropped the price like a hot pan. But 3DS has little competition, its a Ninty handheld it was NEVER going to get crushed, 3d or not. GB had even LESS features than its comp and crushed.

Fair enough ill ire on the side of caution

IT doesnt make a difference except in your head? IMHO the fact that you can only use on pad per console is contributing to the poor sales, like I said that is a hard sell, no matter the company. Hell Apple would be hard pressed to sell that. Come on, man. THeres a huge difference. PS3 uses the SAME controller. if one person has a gamepad and the other a regular, then someone clearly has an ADVANTAGE over the other, again, thats a hell of a hard sell and that is a difference that is not in your head, its right their in living color. Now you can say maybe the gamepad will just function as a regular controller, then what the hell woudl be the the point? Save yourself arithis and just use a regular controller, then what would be the point of WIi U? Just stick to what you have. This might be a conversation someone might have. 

I think it's a good thing for a completely different reason.

Nintendo will now throw 100% of their effort into Wii U, whereas if it'd been a runaway success out of the gates, they would have been a lot more complacent. I think this will lead to better Nintendo games on the Wii U.

Just got Pikmin 3 this week and I have to say, it has taken me back, to how I felt playing GameCube games. For me, that is only a good thing. Pikmin is one of my favourite Nintendo games, and to see Pikmin 3 being pretty much everything I wanted from a sequel has made the wait more than worthwhile.

I can't wait to see what magic Nintendo are going to conjure bringing Wii U back to the mass market.

at bolded: yeah it can, and probably even better than the wiiU tablet. because the vita has on board processing. it has a much higher resolution screen. much better touch screen technology, and more control inputs.

Didnt sony copy the Wii by adding motion controls into the ps3 controller (duelshock 3). Which NO one uses, they should have use that money and made the overall controller better. (but i still like the controller)

I feel like such a traitor (up to Wii, Nintendo was my primary games company) but I can't help but wish I could use my Vita instead of the Wii U pad for Wii U games.

I was going to comment that actually yes, the Vita is more capable at doing what the Wii U does than the Wii U. Sony need to figure out how to sell some more Vitas though :(