some of the biggest properties in gaming right now (minecraft and angry birds) came out of indie development.  this guy isn't saying oddworld is the next big thing.  he's saying the next big thing will probably come from an indie. 

xbone boasted minecraft xbone edition but when the next really impactful game come to every platform except MS's,..  MS is going to regret it.   that's the story he's telling.  nothing more or less.  late ports of only the biggest hits will make their platform look weak in comparision.  MS needs to change their policies to be competitive so that when lighting strikes again they are already in place to capitolize.

that is a great list.

...now put release dates on each of those titles.  i think you'll find a worriesome trend emerging.

the most awesome part of your whole arguement is where you use the games from two of the biggest detractors of MS's indie policy as some sort of evidence that MS is doing good with indie's.   i would take that as a worrisome sign personally.

Uh.. haven't they already said this?

Uh.. then doesn't that make all the people in denial-mode look all the more silly?  

Yeah, M$ are absolutely terrible when it comes to their relationship with independent game developers.

Must be why indie games like Castle Crashers, Braid, and Minecraft are all PSN exclusives and sold a ton of copies thanks to the loyalty and dedication Sony fans have for indie developers, unlike their dude-bro counterparts in the Xbox camp who only play shooters.

Oh wait...

Are you implying that the software release schedule for the 360, particularly in downloadable-only arcade titles, has been thinning out recently as M$ prepares to make the transition to the next-generation with the release of their new console?

OMG, SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!

@Pokoko and Shinobi-san
I am not denying problems and I have read all the post in that thread.... what I'm saying is 99% don't deserve any considerations from MS or the customer.... I bought about a dozen titles indies... a lot of 8/16bit looking RPGs.... none of which I have actually played at the end because their are just uninspired rehash of stuff we have seen a gazillion time with 0 creativity and originality....

now I'm not saying MS is doing it right..... but Lanning outcry is a freaking joke, if opening the doors means more of those 99% of crap I say no thank you..... in other word.... I'd rather do without the 1% than have a bigger flood of crap....
and please the dev of tomorrow half of them will be absorbed by the big publishers if they have anything decent to show for....

and please the revolution of tomorrow.... once again even a braid, limbo, trial HD, state of decay, geometry wars.... even if excellent indies.... have nothing really ground braking and certainly not material for AAA titles of the future who the eff is he trying to kid ????

that's just my point of view though.... I'm all for opening the doors to the elite of indie gaming but I'm fully against free pass self publishing.... and it's actually killing the good ones.... today I already don't even bother to look in the indie section because as it is there is already too much crap to go through

LOL minecraft and angry birds.... yeaaaaaahhhhh

come on if a 99 cents phone game and a geek version of lego is the future of gaming I'm fine with not having more indie comming out on consoles.....

it's certainly not with those game MS is gonna make big money and I highly doubt they platform sellers.... once again who the eff is he trying to kid.... heck I'd be MS I'd sign 20 poor halo remakes before I'd consider any of those..... we'are talking business not trends with very poor chances of ever creating viable revenue.... those are big exception and in all honnesty a second angry bird will be hard to pull out any time soon and minecraft even if a big hit is really a niche concept.....

now I'm not saying there isn't anything good in the indie world, but what he is trying to tell us is far from true.... the real issue those devs have is the thousands of jackasses releasing crap rendering the indie scene worst to navigate than a music collection flee market.....

That's a good point. The developers of some of the most marquee indie titles on the Xbox; FEZ, Braid, and Super Meat Boy have all become their biggest detractors.

edit: nice post by Pokoko