While I don't agree about Pikmin 3 or MK8, I do agree with the overall sentiment that Nintendo seems to be repeating the mistakes of the Gamecube by making poor creative decisions with their franchises. 3D World looks like Sunshine all over again, and NSMBU wasn't what gamers wanted either; all we need now is a toon Zelda and the self-sabotage will be complete.

Nintendo need to get with the program and listen to what gamers who aren't already fans want from them. They need new consumers more than ever.

I understand. And to those who really enjoyed Pikmin, I'm glad they get their sequel (Why it took this long is beyond me) MK8 It looks great, but I'm left scratching my head why nitnendo feels they always need a catchy gimmick (antigravity) instead of just listening to the critiques and just make a better version. Many times, simplicity is better than bloat. 

The entire gaming industry is in need of new consumers. The problem is, none are attempting to court any. If you don't like FPS' or cinematic QTE's you are fresh out of luck. Nintendo has the ability to create new customers, but they choose not to do so. I think its because it takes actual hard work to do so. 

I like your wording of self sabotage, that may very well be the case. Gamecube really hurt many Nintendo franchises. What I'm realizing as I read through this thread is that many folks are either in their teens and early twenties. They grew up with GC, so they weren't old enough to see how Gamecube was mocked and considered a joke. The reason Twilight Princess' reveal was so emotional, is because of the damage WW caused. And now, we get another WW. Aonuma likes his chibi Link, I guess it reminds him of his college days of making dolls.

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I checked your previous comment and it is funny. The only thing I would say is that I am not a Nintendo 'fanboy'  I was a fan. But Nintendo seems to have mental issues. And I refuse to just go along with the program just because its Nintendo. They have a backwards mentality in terms of online infrastructure, they like to leverage gimmicky ideas and attach them to well known franchises (shoehorning these ideas into games they don't belong in mind you) 

@Bolded: LoL. That's an interesting way of putting it. I don't think they tried to appeal to the Wii audience at all though, aside from putting Wii in the console name. But both sides seem to be pissed off that much is clear. I think one of the reasons for this Nintendo is such an OG in the gaming biz that they have a very varied fan base. People of the NES/SNES gens and the N64/GC gens. I'm kind of inbetween both. But I favor the NES/SNES side, which is why the Wii was a great console in its hey day. It felt like a classic console. The Wii U is an abandonment of the Wii in every sense of the word. 

So while the 20 gamecube fans are orgasming over Pikmin 3 and WW HD, I see these games as big 'why's? WW was garbage, Pikmin..cricket...cricket. lol. They now want to fuse F-Zero with MK, 3D World is a kick in the mouth to 2D Mario fans (and 3D Mario fans as well I might add) DKC is the only game that seems to actually make sense. The Gamepad itself is a big turn off. 

Why would a fan of Wii be enticed to buy a Wii U? I've no idea. Thus I haven't bought one. 

Tbh, I went from being baffled by the Wii U, to hostile to it, to amused by it. Its a joke. I find it funny myself now. Lets see how low it can go! Hopefully Nintendo learns a much needed lesson and stops bull shitting. Regardless of specs, (which is the least of Wii U's issues) Wii U is definitely a spiritual successor to Cube. The thing looks like a GCN with the GBA attached. 

I'm 31 years old, the NES got me into gaming (my brother had an Atari and an Intellivision, but the NES is what made me a gamer) and the SNES is my favorite system of all time, hands down.  That being said, the Gamecube got me back into Nintendo after I felt like the N64 was kind of "meh,"  I mean I loved Ocarina, Mario 64, and Rare's shooters but I played my PS1 more then my 64.  My PS2 actually got less play then my Xbox, Dreamcast, and especially my Cube (I was in college at the time and didn't have money for food, but damn I was going to save and play video games, lol.)  I guess I'm a weird case...  although the fact that I was in college probably had something to do with it.  Dreamcast, Xbox, and especially Gamecube were built for local multiplayer as opposed to the PS2.  Add that to the fact that I loved the controller and sunk more time into SSBM then any game ever and I have a lot of fond memories about the system.

Here is the thing about it being a "Wii 2.0" and not a "Gamecube 2.0."  I get what you're saying, but the Gamecube clearly went after the core market, and the Wii, in the eyes of the traditional gamer, abandoned them by putting out a system with specs comparable to last gen systems and a gimmicky controller instead of a standard duel analogue design.  This is, of course, ridiculous.  The Wii was a haven for retro gaming... any system that gave me a proper sequel to both Punch-Out and a Boy and his Blob was a system for gamers in my opnion.  That is, how ever, how the so caled "core" saw it.  It is the same way they see the Wii U.  They do NOT see the controller as being a substitue for a traditional controller, which is also ridiculous, but it is what it is.  Nintendo failed everyone.

so motion controls are retro now? im sorry no. ANd "core" did not see the motion controls as a substiture to traditional controls because it wasnt a substitute for tradtional controls. The broken controls for alot of games just prove that. THe gamepad however is a substitute in a way, but you can only use one per console anyway so its still lacking.

Not at all. I'm not saying because of its sales that it sucked..It just sucked, and then the sales followed ; ) It most certainly was not great. The battlemode was crap, the racing was crap, the level design was lacking. Two persons per kart? Gimme a break.