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Slimebeast on 15 July 2013
TheBlackNaruto said:
Slimebeast said:
 
Max King of the Wild said:
 



The hilarious part is these are the same people who don't think it's okay to shoot someone bashing your head in... Hypocrites. What they are doing is looking at the outcome. Making a judgement that someone is responsible. Seeing someone involved alive and they must be the responsible ones. Then they use reverse logic to place the blame on the person who is alive.

I actually talked to someone on facebook who said it was Zimmermans fault for putting himself in that position and he shouldn't have fired. Then he said a women getting raped is her fault as well for putting her self in that position. This is the type of logic I need to deal with concerning these people. I also talked to someone who conceeded that Zimmerman was not stalking. And that following Trayvon was not illegal... "but he deserved to get his ass kicked anyway." It's mind blowing how idiotic these people are. Because someone is following the laws and not doing anything wrong they deserve to be brutally attacked and they shouldn't be allowed to do anything about it.

I agree. This case, meaning the discussion, media blow-out and everything, it's so sad. And now apparently they will raise a new case againts ZImmerman due to all these protests??

There are brutal opinions and twisted dangeruos morals that people have expressed. And hypocricy, lots of hypocricy. Yes, it's mind-blowing and it scares me.

It makes me so sad when to many persons and meadia it's politically and racially motivated to take sides in this case.

Well we ALL knew there were going to be other charges due to protests that was a a given and the people making this a racial thing I agree are just being silly and blind.

BUT as for the "bruttaly attacked" part.......well can't say on that one. That part is where a majority of the holes appear and makes me question things. Not blindly agreeing with either side but a LOT just does not add up. Only Zimmerman knows what actually happened now whether what he told and the defense presented were true...that is another debate in itself.

It can be argued both were just defending themselves if you ask me one just got the worse end of the stick. But it is all speculation according to the evidence at hand. Zimmerman is not guilty simple as that really.

Yes, totally blown out o proportion, with even the President saying a couple of unnecessary things, and that these street prostest will affect decisions leading to another charge against Zimmerman is a scandal in a democracy.

This thing just became so big and political. It saddens me. I realize we as society haven't come as far as I had hoped with these issues, we're still unable to keep race and politics out of the equation. And I am afraid were going in the wrong direction where it will become increasingly political.



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enditall727 on 15 July 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
enditall727 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

He never said he hit trayvon. All the evidence supported Zimmermans story. Thats why there wasnt an original arrest. Trayvon had no marks and Zimmerman had a busted nose and scuffs on his head along with other bruising that was caused by at least 8 different hits according to the defenses ME... ya know the one the prosecutions ME cited... ya know the renowned ME who has no loyalty to either side.


Its not about Zimmerman "sucking" at it. That dude was fit. I dont believe he fought Trayvon back anyways so him "sucking" doesn't have anything to do with it.

 Okay... then if he didn't fight trayvon why does it matter if he took classes?

I've grabbed and took people down PLENTY of times and i never got any bruses or ripped clothes. Evidence for "grabbing/holding" somebody? Lol

 Yes, its reasonable to expect that if a Zimmerman tried to restrain Trayvon like you said (even though he has never tried to before with anyone else and had no reason to with Trayvon) then there should be signs of a scuffly on trayvon as well. A bruise? A scratch? A torn hoodie? Anything? But there was no sign of that

And Jeantels testimony DOES support that speculation. Jeantel heard the scuffle as it broke out. She said Trayvon was running( which he shouldn't have did) and she told him to keep running because he stopped and didn't want to run anymore being that he thought he lost Zimmerman and he was close by his house. Then Trayvon says out of knowhere "oh shit! The nigga is behind me!" So Trayvon eventually says "what are you following me for" and Zimmerman responds "What are you doing around here?" Then hears a bump from the micas if another body came up against his body(like somebody grabbed him). Then she hears Trayvon constantly saying "get off! Get off!" 

Thats all good and dandy except she heard "What are you talking about" from Zimmerman... oh wait.. she changed it to the more menacing version. Also, she didn't tell the cops any of this. Also, the story doesn't make sense since according to both Zimmerman and Jeantel Trayvon lost Zimmerman and had enough time to get back to the house.

 

Some think she's lying about that part though. She was agonizingly hard to understand because she supposedly said tge phone cut off after the 1st bump. You cant really tell if she thought the phone cut off but it didn't because of the bump or if it just cut off according to her.

 

Zimmerman also had to have eventually wanted to confront him for him to call the police and to get out of his car to look for him telling the police to call him back when thet got there

 there is a complete difference between confronting and following. Zimmerman could have confronted before calling the cops. And if he wanted to confront Trayvon this would make the most sense. Have you ever noticed someone from a distance? Maybe someone you found attractive and you let it be known to your friends that you thought that person was hot? Then they said "go talk to her" How many people then chicken out? A shit load. You know why? Confronting someone is a whole nother beast.

And again, my speculatiinspeculation is supportefsupported by evidence..

no it isnt.




It matters because of weight and him being fit 

 

I'm not sure if he ever followed somebody and had them run. He also said that these punks always get away so he sounded like he was ready to become robocop. Again, grabbing somebody wont rip the clothes or scratch/bruse them unless the individual tries. I dont think he tried to. I just believe he attempted to grab and hold Trayvon.

 

Ohhh okay so i'm guessing you didn't read the comments and discussions in the other thread since you seem to be asking about things we already discussed.

 

I'm going to try to link a video for you. Ill edit it in when i find it

 

Edit: 

Like i said before, i dont think Zimmerman is a devil and i dont think Trayvon was an angel but i do believe the Zimmerman tried to grab and hold Trayvon until the police got there and i didn't know that Jeantel heard Zimmerman say "what are you talking about". according to Zimmerman, Trayvon hopped out of some bushes on him and said "whats your problem" then Zimmerman replied "there is no problem" and then Trayvon attacked him when Zimmerman started looking for something when he reached into his pockets. did Jeantel say that that was the only thing she heard him say or..?

 

also, if Trayvon hid in some "bushes" to get ready to viciously attack Zimmerman, dont you think he would have told Jeantel that he would call her later and get off the phone before this big ass young adult jumped out from that little ass trimmed "bush" that Zimmerman couldnt see his big 6'2 ass behind?



thismeintiel on 15 July 2013
chapset said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. Trayvon was 6 ft and 160 lbs. He wasn't basically an adult.  He was taller and potentially stronger than Zimmerman.

He got Zimmerman down with down to the ground MMA style and was pounding the shit out of him. You don't know the circumstances. He was bloodied and head was getting bashed in. He might have attempted to fight and resorted to the gun when that wasn't work out very well.

if this is enough to justify lethal force, damn I missed a couple occasions to kill people apparently, Zimmerman was 5'7'' and 185 at the time he was getting mauled to death by this ''giant piece of man'' that was Treyvon he didn't know how to kick or punch back his only option was to blow shit up the American way

Good grief.  You're just as bad as the media who purposely edited the 911 call to make Zimmerman sound racist.  Yea, let's take pictures of Zimmerman's wounds AFTER the medical examiner has had a chance to look at him and clean them.  And after his blood has started to clot.  You also have CAT scans that go along with those to show that no damage was happening to his brain with each blow?  How bout, just to be fair, we look at them right after they happened.

    

Also, keep in mind that this is just the extent of the injuries up until the point of Trayvon being shot.  Who knows what they would have looked like if Trayvon had been able to continue to slam his head into the sidewalk.  Point is, Zimmerman didn't know when Trayvon was going to stop, which meant he was in fear for his life or great bodily harm.

And reading other's posts, I can't believe people all of a sudden think the extra 25 lbs of fat that Zimmerman had on his body would make him a better fighter than the extra 5 inches Trayvon had on Zimmerman.  It is true that a lot of pics of Trayvon show him as a skinny teen, however, let's look at a more recent one.

Sorry, but that's not the shoulders and chest of a "skrawny" teen.  Trayvon was 160 lbs of mostly muscle.  That, plus the extra 5 inches in height (and thus a longer reach), will be a much bigger asset in a fight than age and extra weight from fat, even though some of you seem to disagree.



 

nightsurge on 15 July 2013
Soundwave said:

Are you a police officer? No? Then stop pretending to be one and leave the actual police work for real trained police officers (something Zimmerman couldn't apparently cut the mustard as).

You mean like the ones that let Zimmerman go on self defense, no charges, the night all this happened? They did their job. It was the ridiculous uproar of the community that forced a trial when none should have been.

Had it been black on black, or even reversed, black on white, there would not have been a trial either. Just simply let the person go and the news never would have made a big deal about it.



nightsurge on 15 July 2013
Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

But the young man didn't ask for a bad situation to occur when he slammed the older man into the ground and started to pound his face with fists?

It's not illegal to check out and follow a stranger you think looks suspicious. I don't see anything morally wrong with that either, especially in your own neighborhood.

But it's illegal to viciously assault someone and smack him in the face.


It's not illegal to walk into a nightclub and hit on every woman in front of their boyfriend either. You probably will get your ass beat before the night is done though.

We have social/societal customs too, not everything is a law. Most people do not take kindly to being followed around for no apparent reason by an unidentified person. Most people will feel threatened if they are being followed by someone especially at night.

Unless you are an actual cop, stop playing police officer. There's a reason why police officers have to be trained for their job and it's to handle situations like this. There's a reason why police officers also wear uniforms or identify themselves, to avoid misunderstandings.

Go ahead and follow someone around the street and tell them "don't worry, I'm not a cop, I'm just following you to see if you're about to commit a criminal act" ... you'll probably get slapped upside the head (or worse) sooner or later.

Yes, we have societal customs and we have this very common desire for protection. Thus why many neighborhoods elect a "neighborhood watch" to help patrol the area and alert the authorities of suspicious behavior.

Which is exactly what George Zimmerman was doing. He saw a man moving in-between houses in a neighborhood. This is something I would think would commonly be considered suspicious behavior. He reported it. After the police told him not to follow Trayvon, we have NO idea what happened.

The emotional people keep trying to paint a ficticious story about Zimmerman continuing to stalk Trayvon and confront him. This is not supported by any evidence and is purely a concoction of the family others trying to cope with what happened.

Also, since you seem to be up on a high horse about social customs, wouldn't you agree that if you really were being followed by someone you would run away, go to a public place, or alert the authorities yourself? What kind of a moron would start a fight just because someone is following them? That is completely illogical and would lead to much worse than simply playing it safe.



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nightsurge on 15 July 2013
thismeintiel said:

Good grief.  You're just as bad as the media who purposely edited the 911 call to make Zimmerman sound racist.  Yea, let's take pictures of Zimmerman's wounds AFTER the medical examiner has had a chance to look at him and clean them.  And after his blood has started to clot.  You also have CAT scans that go along with those to show that no damage was happening to his brain with each blow?  How bout, just to be fair, we look at them right after they happened.

    

Also, keep in mind that this is just the extent of the injuries up until the point of Trayvon being shot.  Who knows what they would have looked like if Trayvon had been able to continue to slam his head into the sidewalk.  Point is, Zimmerman didn't know when Trayvon was going to stop, which meant he was in fear for his life or great bodily harm.

And reading other's posts, I can't believe people all of a sudden think the extra 25 lbs of fat that Zimmerman had on his body would make him a better fighter than the extra 5 inches Trayvon had on Zimmerman.  It is true that a lot of pics of Trayvon show him as a skinny teen, however, let's look at a more recent one.

Sorry, but that's not the shoulders and chest of a "skrawny" teen.  Trayvon was 160 lbs of mostly muscle.  That, plus the extra 5 inches in height (and thus a longer reach), will be a much bigger asset in a fight than age and extra weight from fat, even though some of you seem to disagree.

I just thought I would say this, since I never thought I would... but for once I agree with you on something :)

No surprise that it isn't related to video games, though haha... Oh well, it is a start, friend!



thismeintiel on 15 July 2013
nightsurge said:

I just thought I would say this, since I never thought I would... but for once I agree with you on something :)

No surprise that it isn't related to video games, though haha... Oh well, it is a start, friend!

LOL.  Glad we agree on something.  But, don't worry.  I will eventually turn you to the dark side that is Playstation. 



 

o_O.Q on 16 July 2013
Slimebeast said:
Some people really think you have the right to physically assault a person just because he is following you for a few minutes. This is totally new to me. This is shocking.

Such twisted and dangerous sense of morals.


i find it even more shocking that people think its justifiable for someone to be put to death because they broke someone's nose

well fk me in that case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEqniEvNcnk

the fat kid should have been shot dead here right?



S.T.A.G.E. on 16 July 2013

Zimmerman tried to play cop and got his ass handed to him, plain and simple. The kid was 100% innocent until he whipped his ass. Most people take the asswhipping and move on with their lives, but Zimmerman couldn't. This goes to show many that if you suck at fighting it doesnt matter if you have a fifty pound weight advantage on another human being as long as the person with the weight disadvantage is naturally a better fighter. Even his MMA coach said he sucked at fighting, which begs to question why he tempted fate in the first place. It had to have wounded ZImmermans pride watching the self defense expert basically say hes not genetically built to take a punch nor could he last in a fight.

Zimmerman lost his pride as a man and will probably have a hard time getting decent government support or even a job. He might as well get a degree, but I dont think being a lawyer is up his alley. His ability to follow directions seems lacking.



Max King of the Wild on 16 July 2013
o_O.Q said:
Slimebeast said:
Some people really think you have the right to physically assault a person just because he is following you for a few minutes. This is totally new to me. This is shocking.

Such twisted and dangerous sense of morals.


i find it even more shocking that people think its justifiable for someone to be put to death because they broke someone's nose

well fk me in that case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEqniEvNcnk

the fat kid should have been shot dead here right?



I find it shocking that you have completely misrepresented the facts. An unprovoked (yes following someone doesn't justify that person to attack you) attack in which your head is being slammed on the concrete is justifiable to use deadly force. 6 jurors agreed on that... You know.... the people who had the facts.