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No....Dont even start....NZ government has been trying to give back some of what was taken from our indigenous people and all that has done is cause trouble....They just want want want want want want WANT!!! making the people who had nothing to do with it suffer along the way.



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You sound like a horrible person and you should be in jail for doing those things not just pay them money.

Glad I never did any of that stuff to anyone.



Oh and also. The area I live in everyone seems to be or have some part native American in them. You'd never get everyone paid off.

Couldn't we count the billions they make off of Casinos as reparation enough?



definetly



Turkish said:
definetly

If you feel this way about the ancestors of genocide victims... you should totally gift me some games on steam then.   :)



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It would be hard to do as true Native Americans hardly exist. Tribes will often let in people with only a fourth Native blood  because of the Natives mixing with other races has happened a great deal over the decades. Hell, my quarter Mexican/Indian blood is enough for me to join a sub-group of the Apache tribe. So yes give me money
White man.



Egann said:
If Native Americans deserve reparations for something done 150 years ago, then I deserve reparations for all the generations my ancestors lived in serfdom for generations on end.

It doesn't work that way. Neither guilt nor claim to restitution are inheritable.

I'll go out on a limb here and say that the Native Americans didn't have a great claim to the North American lands, anyway. They weren't culturally utilizing any of its resources. It's true that the way the white authorities handled them was abominable, but it's also true that most Native American tribes were basically squatters, even by their own admission. The idea that they "owned" the land is incurably revisionist: Native American cultures have a weak concept of ownership, and practically none of it directed towards the land. To many tribes, saying you owned the land was like saying you owned the sky. These are not things they believed you could tangibly own, even as a collective.


Just because they had a different concept of ownership and property doesn't mean they (the people and tribes around in the 1400s and on) were any less entitled to the land than those that came in for colonial purposes and the extraction of resources. To call them squatters is flat out insulting; squatters take residence on land that or property that they don't have lawful permission to use. It sounds like the idea of them following buffalo on a set migrating path on unclaimed territory being "squatting" is the revisionist history here.



burninmylight said:
Egann said:
If Native Americans deserve reparations for something done 150 years ago, then I deserve reparations for all the generations my ancestors lived in serfdom for generations on end.

It doesn't work that way. Neither guilt nor claim to restitution are inheritable.

I'll go out on a limb here and say that the Native Americans didn't have a great claim to the North American lands, anyway. They weren't culturally utilizing any of its resources. It's true that the way the white authorities handled them was abominable, but it's also true that most Native American tribes were basically squatters, even by their own admission. The idea that they "owned" the land is incurably revisionist: Native American cultures have a weak concept of ownership, and practically none of it directed towards the land. To many tribes, saying you owned the land was like saying you owned the sky. These are not things they believed you could tangibly own, even as a collective.


Just because they had a different concept of ownership and property doesn't mean they (the people and tribes around in the 1400s and on) were any less entitled to the land than those that came in for colonial purposes and the extraction of resources. To call them squatters is flat out insulting; squatters take residence on land that or property that they don't have lawful permission to use. It sounds like the idea of them following buffalo on a set migrating path on unclaimed territory being "squatting" is the revisionist history here.


It's also not true.  I mean, ask the native american tribes that constantly went to war over territory if they believed in the ownership of land.

Native Americans also were known to do massive complicated terrascaping that only subsided because of great population shrinkage.



How long ago did all of this happen? More than a 100 years or so ago?

It always gets me when people "want something back" because our ancestors did something to their ancestors. Really? I think you need to get over it considering none of that happened to you.

So, no.



Well there aren't very many of them left (we saw to that), and we did take the entire country from them.

I say we just make one of them President and call it even.