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ethomaz said:

Eddie_Raja said:

No it's in 1080p at 60 FPS.

On PC at least... on consoles 720p.

Nothing confirmed yet BTW.

 

On PC it can be 4K 60 FPS it is up to each user.  On console it WILL be 60 FPS 1080p.  Some of you really can't read can you?


http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/02/26/ea-ps4-meeting-recap-between-8-10x-power-1080p-60fps-unprecedented-gameplay-games-shown-before-e3/



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

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Eddie_Raja said:

On PC it can be 4K 60 FPS it is up to each user.  On console it WILL be 60 FPS 1080p.  Some of you really can't read can you?


http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/02/26/ea-ps4-meeting-recap-between-8-10x-power-1080p-60fps-unprecedented-gameplay-games-shown-before-e3/

This is old and there are nothing saying BF4 runs at 1080p on PS4/Xbone... the DICE are aiming the 60fps confirmed but the game is set to run at 720p.

In any case the only confirmed thing is 60fps... everything else is "leaks" no confirmed yet.



ethomaz said:

Eddie_Raja said:

On PC it can be 4K 60 FPS it is up to each user.  On console it WILL be 60 FPS 1080p.  Some of you really can't read can you?


http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/02/26/ea-ps4-meeting-recap-between-8-10x-power-1080p-60fps-unprecedented-gameplay-games-shown-before-e3/

This is old and there are nothing saying BF4 runs at 1080p on PS4/Xbone... the DICE are aiming the 60fps confirmed but the game is set to run at 720p.

In any case the only confirmed thing is 60fps... everything else is "leaks" no confirmed yet.

Ok and even in the face of facts he says no.   Done with this conversation...



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

For all the people that are saying, why aren't these games running at 60. First off. all of these games were developed with 4gb ram in mind, which could be a factor. Second, we haven't really seen side by side comparisons of exclusive shooters, which can be WAY harder to run than a driving game. I'm saying that comparing Forza and Killzone is a difficult comparison, as there is A LOT more going on in a shooter than a driving game, like a driving game basically nothing moves except for the cars. Now compare that to everything that's going on in shadow fall. Also, we haven't seen side by side graphical comparisons of all these game yet. The other problem is we have barely seen any actual X1 in game footage because they were using "dev kits" that have a GPU in them that costs more than the entire gaming machine. I could easily see some games getting at least close to double the performance on the PS4. And Devs are now coming out and saying that the PS4 is in fact a lot stronger than the X1.



Eddie_Raja said:
landguy1 said:
Eddie_Raja said:
FrancisNobleman said:
On a side note, I just think the main problem with this website is people making wild statements when they are not seasoned developers with the knowledge to make such assumptions.

And people gather, back and forth, in discussions about what is what, and no one knows shit for real. That's how a community gets derailed, fanboys gather up, and stupid arguments begin.

To prove the title of this thread, and write a compeeling and credible opinion, the OP needed to have access to and fully understand both system's hardware and working environments and being able to justify mathematically what makes a system better than the other.

This thread shortened sounds like this:

"Ok, lets see what wikipedia says about a single component of this entire hardware, the GPU. Nothing else weights any significant ammount of importance to be considered, because: internet gaming forums."

"See ? This numbers bigger in here, smaller in there. There is some yockels, and fowckelrs, some sneivlers too, thats it. 2x more graphics."





Wikipedia?  It wasn't used once.  I also have a lot of experience with the 7000 series and can back up everything he says.  If you don't understand, then don't talk.  Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone doesn't...

Apparently Eddie knows all.  Following his comments on just about everyone's posts, he shows that every detail of each consloes system and internal design have been given to him and the Captain.  These two "Professional hardware designers" have deemed the power of both new consoles and only their opinions can be heard. 

Obviously Eddie, you can only know what is readily available to the public, which is really nothing.  Don't bother to tell us how much experience you and Captain Tom have with the 7000 series cards, as it really isn't relevent.  Unless you participated in the design of both the PS4 and XBone, you only have uninformed opinions like everyone else.

Exactly I do only know what is readily available to the public about next gen's hardware.  However if you understand GPU architecture at even a rudementary level, you will be able to predict how much stronger the PS4 is than the Xbox One.  I just have to say two things:

1) Obviously I may not be 100% correct to a decimal point, but it is obvious that the PS4 is well above 50% stronger than the X1.  It is between 55-100% more power.

 

2) Before righting everything someone says off, have you ever considered reading it and making an informed response (Probably not since this is VGchartz)?  The numbers add up and come from, as you said: "What is readily available to the public."  So then since it is, look it up and say something once you can.  But just saying "I don't get it, so theirs no way he can too!" is childish.

Funny, i don't remember saying that i didn't get it.  Generally if your going to put something in qoutes, you fill that space with something they actually said.

What i said was that neither Sony nor M$ have fully disclosed the architecture of their systems.  Because this information is not available, you and Captain Tom are only comparing one POSSIBLE element of the system and making your "55-100%" theories.  IF you and Tom had the knowledge and experience that you claim to have, you would know that there are dozens of ways that the systems could be hamstrung by other compnents that could completely make this whole argument a waste of time.  SO, here's my point more clearly for you : NO ONE KNOWS THE SYSTEM ARCHITECTURE YET, SO THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW IF EITHER SYSTEM IS MORE POWERFUL YET.

Sorry, i felt if is said it louder that you would get what i was saying more clearly, but probably not.



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Exactly I do only know what is readily available to the public about next gen's hardware.  However if you understand GPU architecture at even a rudementary level, you will be able to predict how much stronger the PS4 is than the Xbox One.  I just have to say two things:

1) Obviously I may not be 100% correct to a decimal point, but it is obvious that the PS4 is well above 50% stronger than the X1.  It is between 55-100% more power.

 

2) Before righting everything someone says off, have you ever considered reading it and making an informed response (Probably not since this is VGchartz)?  The numbers add up and come from, as you said: "What is readily available to the public."  So then since it is, look it up and say something once you can.  But just saying "I don't get it, so theirs no way he can too!" is childish.

Funny, i don't remember saying that i didn't get it.  Generally if your going to put something in qoutes, you fill that space with something they actually said.

What i said was that neither Sony nor M$ have fully disclosed the architecture of their systems.  Because this information is not available, you and Captain Tom are only comparing one POSSIBLE element of the system and making your "55-100%" theories.  IF you and Tom had the knowledge and experience that you claim to have, you would know that there are dozens of ways that the systems could be hamstrung by other compnents that could completely make this whole argument a waste of time.  SO, here's my point more clearly for you : NO ONE KNOWS THE SYSTEM ARCHITECTURE YET, SO THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW IF EITHER SYSTEM IS MORE POWERFUL YET.

Sorry, i felt if is said it louder that you would get what i was saying more clearly, but probably not.

But we do know the architecture of the PS4 as Cerny has given more talks on it than I can keep up with, and again we have heard multiple reports on the X1 from various devs/sources so effectively we do know what's inside it.

Look I get where you are coming from.  You are saying we don't know 100% so why waste our time.  But the fact is we know 99% of what is in the PS4 and a really good idea of what is in the Xbox One.  So (AGAIN) instead of saying "We don't know, go away," perhaps you should ADD TO THE CONVERSATION.

What can you speculate (backed up by evidence), that would confirm or go against what the OP said?



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Eddie_Raja said:

Exactly I do only know what is readily available to the public about next gen's hardware.  However if you understand GPU architecture at even a rudementary level, you will be able to predict how much stronger the PS4 is than the Xbox One.  I just have to say two things:

1) Obviously I may not be 100% correct to a decimal point, but it is obvious that the PS4 is well above 50% stronger than the X1.  It is between 55-100% more power.

 

2) Before righting everything someone says off, have you ever considered reading it and making an informed response (Probably not since this is VGchartz)?  The numbers add up and come from, as you said: "What is readily available to the public."  So then since it is, look it up and say something once you can.  But just saying "I don't get it, so theirs no way he can too!" is childish.

Funny, i don't remember saying that i didn't get it.  Generally if your going to put something in qoutes, you fill that space with something they actually said.

What i said was that neither Sony nor M$ have fully disclosed the architecture of their systems.  Because this information is not available, you and Captain Tom are only comparing one POSSIBLE element of the system and making your "55-100%" theories.  IF you and Tom had the knowledge and experience that you claim to have, you would know that there are dozens of ways that the systems could be hamstrung by other compnents that could completely make this whole argument a waste of time.  SO, here's my point more clearly for you : NO ONE KNOWS THE SYSTEM ARCHITECTURE YET, SO THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW IF EITHER SYSTEM IS MORE POWERFUL YET.

Sorry, i felt if is said it louder that you would get what i was saying more clearly, but probably not.

But we do know the architecture of the PS4 as Cerny has given more talks on it than I can keep up with, and again we have heard multiple reports on the X1 from various devs/sources so effectively we do know what's inside it.

Look I get where you are coming from.  You are saying we don't know 100% so why waste our time.  But the fact is we know 99% of what is in the PS4 and a really good idea of what is in the Xbox One.  So (AGAIN) instead of saying "We don't know, go away," perhaps you should ADD TO THE CONVERSATION.

What can you speculate (backed up by evidence), that would confirm or go against what the OP said?

What's funny is that based on the mostly muddled info that is out there, i agree with you both that the PS4 is or will have a more powerful GPU.  The silly part to me knows that if one or 2 small other components don't mexh with the underlying power of the GPU, none of the potential power will be realised.  So, like yourselves, i choose to have an opinion that states - lets wait and see.  For the sake of all gaming, i hope both have similar power.  This might be the last big generation of console gaming and we can only hope the best games come out of it for either system.



No know that no matter the specs, 3rd party devs will just take the easy route and make the games as identical as possible.....so basically 95% of both libraries



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
No know that no matter the specs, 3rd party devs will just take the easy route and make the games as identical as possible.....so basically 95% of both libraries

I have to ask.  Is that what you want?  I know you are going to get an Xbox One.  If the PS4 is capable of it, would you rather they make the games exactly the same, or give the PS4 players some extra eye candy because they can?

 

Assume it will costs the devs nothing extra.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Eddie_Raja said:
sales2099 said:
No know that no matter the specs, 3rd party devs will just take the easy route and make the games as identical as possible.....so basically 95% of both libraries

I have to ask.  Is that what you want?  I know you are going to get an Xbox One.  If the PS4 is capable of it, would you rather they make the games exactly the same, or give the PS4 players some extra eye candy because they can?

 

Assume it will costs the devs nothing extra.

Yes that is what I want. The forums will have less "smug", and developers can save some money while they are at it.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.