So how does this affect a guy like me who thinks Alan Wake and Halo 4 looked really great?

Isn't it ironic that the people who never got tired to mention how awesome Uncharted 2 / 3 or God of War looked are the very same people, who are "disappointed" that the Xbox One is "only" X-times as powerful as the PS3?

Sorry, but those can not be taken seriously.

Power on paper mean nothing for instance :

PS4 has always-on video compression and decompression systems for the purpose of video sharing and streaming which is great but,
it's not a costless process and, correct me if i'm wrong, but video compression is a realy demanding process.

I do not know which codec the ps4 is using for it and how efficient it is but the cost of it directly cut through the ps4's advantage over the Xbox One.

in fact, the higher the frame rate/ resolution of a game is, the higher the compression cost will be and this means that more a dev raise the frame rate / resolution of its game he litteraly will have less ressource to do it.

It is maybe one reason why Sony has announced that the ps4 will not support 4k gaming for now while microsoft annouced that nothing is blocking a dev from using 4k graphics in a game on Xbox One.

So even if on paper the ps4 has a great advantage the final result may be far from it and for what we've seen at e3, upcoming ps4 games are nowhere near as 2x better than those of xbox One.

the only true and well defined advantage of the ps4 is for now its price.

Love the fact that you quote my post with that one 

Illustrates perfectly that while some pictures are worth a thousand words, others are just evidence of somebody having nothing to say at all.

What it illustrates is the you're incompetent at finding uncompressed screenshots, I mean c'mon, do you honestly believe this screentshot is any representation of what Drive Club will look like?

The other two certainly were ^^
I just also wanted one with a cockpit view, and unfortunately I didn't find a good one. Doesn't change anything though

I would wait for the final game...As of now Forza 5 doesn't look that much better than Forza 4. Lighting still baked, no weather, no day-night cycle...

How can you call a comparison a "fact" when all the hardware you compared is still rumors and unconfirmed/not final?

How about we save this kind of comparison for confirmed specs?

Lulz said: gooch_destroyer said: Angelus said: Can't believe you guys are still on about the Forza vs Drive Club comparison Forza gameplay: [img]http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/5/9/1/1/2/0/Forza_000.bmp.jpg/EG11/resize/1280x-1[/img One of those games is gorgeous. The other is not. So wtf are you guys even going on and on about the frame rate for? It's not even a contest which one looks better And Gran Turismo can't top that? It probably can, but how is that relevant to what's being debated here? I'm sure when Gran Turismo 7 is released in 6 years that Forza 9 will look just as good =)

Like it took 6 years for GT6 to come out?

Angelus said: gooch_destroyer said: Angelus said: Can't believe you guys are still on about the Forza vs Drive Club comparison Forza gameplay: One of those games is gorgeous. The other is not. So wtf are you guys even going on and on about the frame rate for? It's not even a contest which one looks better And Gran Turismo can't top that? I never said anything of the sort did I? Just not understanding why people are going back and forth with Forza vs Drive Club when Forza obviously blows it out of the water.  These are launch games. When the inevitable next gen GT hits, of course it will look better. Just like Forza 6 will look better. What's your point? And ya, when Forza and GT end up going head to head, GT might look better. But that's neither here nor there.

I'm just saying wouldn't GT vs. Forza make more sense? like if project gotham  was a launch title then it'll be fair, right?

Your post doesn't change anything. Terrible screenshots are terrible. What, now you're gonna post a video of drive club taken off someone's 20$ cellphone?