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JinxRake said:
You still rent 64 games in one year for 50$. For less than the price of a new game you can have at least 10 games that you'll have enjoyed during a year.
You love a game and really want to support the developer, you go out afterwards and buy it as a physical copy. Or buy it online. Or just send that developer money cuz they've earned it.

If there's not ONE game in 64 over a whole year that you could enjoy it either due to: 1. Gaming really not being your thing anymore. 2. Gaming on Nintendo being more of your thing. or 3. You're a dirty, stinking liar.

I'm getting PS Plus and a 1 Tb HDD by the end of next month. I really do NOT see the drawback of this service, no matter how I look at it. And, as I said, if one game out of those I will consider valuable enough for me to hold on forever, I will BUY it without fail.

Actually, there could be other reasons.  My friends and I borrow games from each other; if the games I am interested show up on PSN+, chances are I have already played it or already own it.

If we take your one game for $50 example, why would you pay $50 to rent one game? Seriously, it's not for everyone. If it is a great service for you, that's great. It doesn't mean it works well for everyone.



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kowenicki said:
LurkerJ said:
kowenicki said:
 

This is true.

but also I'd suggest PS+ is a better service for more casual gamers.  Surely more active gamers have played most of decent PS+ content before it hits PS+

In other words, it's a better service for most gamers

Perhaps it is.  When I say casual, I mean very casual (time devotion wise)

Will they pay for it?


I buy 5-8 games per year (got 3 already every day), i check youtube on a daily basis and watch previews/trailers/interviews of games, i check game websites daily to read on news, and i game almost on a daily basis(mostly on my pc). I have over 30 ps3 games in my collection, 10+ games on my pc.  Their are many great games that i don't buy because i would rather use the money on a game or genra which i prefer. 

I'm not a casual gamer, i consider myself a hardcore gamer even though i stay most of the time playing the mp of 1-3 games. But at the same time i'm a sucker for rpgs and open world games, and i put 250+hours into skyrim without mods. I find ps+ to be of great value for me because it will allow me to pay games that i woudn't have the chance to, at the same time broadening the type of games that i play. 



Capulous said:
This thread has been done many times. You are comparing (currently) two different types of services. If you like PSN+ fine; why is there a need to bring LIVE into the argument? Are you threatened by anything Xbox, you feel the need to downplay them?

PSN+ is great for people who use it and like what it offers. Same for LIVE; some of you need to stop being so insecure and just enjoy what you like. Why does everything need to be a pissing contest between systems?


I agree. I just started posting today (new member) because I'm tired of the Microsoft is evil, Sony is a gift from god sentiment going around. I'm remebering the ps3 launch, full ps2 BC and option to install linux. When ever I went to go see what the ps3 could do, i the best buy demo ps3 kept freezing. Shortly after they took away ps2 support and then linux. As for psn... remember when it was shutdown for about a month because users data was compromised? I hope both consoles do well, I'm just tired of sony's sickos running rampant and I'm trying to bring a reality check. As far as I can remeber, microsoft has never taken away features, only added. Sony adds features but also takes them away in the middle of a console cycle.



Sony is not a gift from heaven and Microsoft is not Lucifer either. They're both companies trying to get our money. But Sony is doing a better job at it since a couple of year, especially towards tradicional gamers. Deal with it.



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disolitude said:

But Sony has something pretty sweet here it if works like you guys say it does...


It does. What's also awesome is that the games are simply time stamped with the date your sub ends. If you start subbing, you lend your console to a friend that doesn't have internet like I did, they can play all of the games on your HDD no problem. Doesn't matter if they hold your console for months. Those games are active for as long as they're supposed to be. With SONY allowing you to access and purchase things from the SEN store via pc now, I didn't miss a single free game that I wanted from the service. 

Btw, anything you get on a PSN+ discount is yours to keep with our without an active subscription. If you got something at a 99% PSN discount and paid 5 cents for it, it's yours forever. Or as long as you can keep a back-up, I guess. 



4 ≈ One

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ghettoglamour said:
Sony is not a gift from heaven and Microsoft is not Lucifer either. They're both companies trying to get our money. But Sony is doing a better job at it since a couple of year, especially towards tradicional gamers. Deal with it

Brickware is "Sony is doing a better job at it since a couple of year, especially towards tradicional gamers" :)



So 360 fans that say "Their just rentals", do you say the same about 50% of all your box products, "Multiplayer mode is just rentals"



i used to pay like $30 every summer at blockbuster to rent unlimited games for just a few weeks a year. now, i pay $40 or less if i find it on sale, for 64, not bad. i like those numbers.
ive already paid for a year, soon my 7 year long xbl will expire in sept, i will renew when i buy an xbo down the road. but i will be buying an xbl card on sale as well, the best time is usually at the end of the year that ive noticed.



 

tres said:
pezus said:
Adinnieken said:
mutantclown said:
Nsanity said:
Those games aren't for keeps though, their for rent.


Yeah, for the same price you get nothing extra on Live....

Actually, you get two games for free on Xbox LIVE.  Yours to keep.

Starting in June, Xbox LIVE Gold members get two Xbox 360 Games free each month.  Even if you only own an Xbox One, you can still queue the game to download.  Then, if you buy, borrow, or sign-in to a friends Xbox 360 you can play those games on that system as well.

From June to December then? I'd like to see if this becomes permanent. I'm sure MS will try to do something of their own with Live on One to compete with Plus.


no they wont.  plus has been going on for quite some time and ms only until e3 this years they throw out 13 games?  yes free to keep forever but if you think about it, xboxers were  going to pay for games with drm so what the problem with temporary games. 

Both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 have DRM, the difference is that with retail disc-based games the license isn't restricted.  There is no difference in DRM between the Xbox One and the Xbox 360 except for the fact that the Xbox One restricted a retail disc license to one user.  The content on the disc still has a DRM wrapper, that DRM license still gets associated with the user ID and console.  The difference is Microsoft isn't restricting the license to one owner. 

And yes, in the case of the PS3 and PS4, nothing has changed.  The content is wrapped in DRM, otherwise you could run any software on the console.  It uses DRM and a license key to restrict what software runs on the console.  So, Sony has just as much DRM as Microsoft does.  You're just oblivious to the fact that Sony actually has a DRM layer between you and the game that at any time it can update the system to take from passive (as it is currently) to an active system.

And there is nothing wrong with an Active DRM system so long as it takes certain circumstances into consideration and doesn't inhibit or interfer with one's rights under the first-sale doctrine (US) or consumer protection laws (EU).  Microsoft was and is still the best chance for a consumer-oriented active DRM system to work.  It's the only company that has the money and the ties to both retail and content providers, to work out the technological needs of a system, the software, and its components, and then to implement it.

So, PS3 and Xbox gamers both are already paying for games with DRM.  Right now though, Sony gamers are paying for a service that uses its DRM to restrict access to the games it "gives" to subscribers for "free".  So just shut it.  You don't know the first thing about DRM and you don't know how you even use it today, so don't go on about who is using what DRM on what system and who is paying for DRM and who isn't.  We all are.  Even Nintendo owners.

Sony's DRM may not restrict the installation of a game via disc, but it does restrict the number of installations via download.  Where as neither the Xbox 360 nor the Xbox One restricts how many consoles on which you install a game.   If I were travelling across the country, visiting friends and those friends had Xbox 360's or even in the future, if they have an Xbox One, I could install any of my games for that system on their console and play it.  Leave it there, and move on to the next friend, in the next town, in the next state.  If I travelled to see 50 friends in all 50 states, and left 50 copies of the same game installed on 50 different consoles, it would still work when I got home and played it on my console.  That's as true as it is today, as it would have been under the DRM rules, and it is as true under the new DRM rules.

On the PS3 I can't do that.  I can install the game on two systems.  This same system is carried over to the PS4.  So beyond two installs, I can't play it.  If I have six consoles in my home, I can't have the game installed on all six consoles with the PS3 or PS4.  With the Xbox 360 AND the Xbox One I can.  If I wanted to play that game on a third or fourth console, I'd have to deactivate the license on the console, uninstall the game, then redownload it and activate the license on the new console.  With the Xbox 360 and Xbox One I just go to that console and play the game or at the very least if it isn't installed, download it.  Oh, and if someone else is logged into one of those machines where I downloaded the game, they can play it too.

Now let's talk about media.  On the PS3 and PS4, if I buy a movie through PSN, I get to download that movie once.  No, not once on this console, delete it, then once on another console.  I get to download it once...ever.  Sure, I can call Sony up and beg them to give me a chance to download it again, but I have to call them.  With the Xbox 360 and Xbox One, I can walk up to any console, log into my profile, and download any music or movies I own on that console and watch it.

Oh, but you're thinking, I don't buy movies, I torrent them and watch them on my PS3/PS4.  Ah, well, you're SOL then, because the PS3 and likely the PS4 include Cinavia to prevent you from playing copyprotected content on the PS3/PS4.  The Xbox 360 and Xbox One have no such restrictions.

But you were saying something about how gullible Xbox 360 owners are, please go on. 

EDIT:  I forget to mention all the other restrictive active DRM features that Sony has added to the PS3 over the past few years for publishers to use, but gosh, Sony doesn't have a policy on it.  Me thinks the pot (tres) is calling the kettle (Xbox owners) black.  The more gullible in this case are PS3 owners who have had more and more DRM features added to their system, and more restrictions placed on their own content, by Sony over the years. 



Xenostar said:
So 360 fans that say "Their just rentals", do you say the same about 50% of all your box products, "Multiplayer mode is just rentals"


^This. LOL you owned every single PS+ detractor.