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GeForce RTX 5080 Laptop GPU tested in 3DMark Time Spy: 16% improvement over RTX 4080

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5080-laptop-gpu-tested-in-3dmark-time-spy-16-improvement-over-rtx-4080

Unexpected at this point. Truly awful generation.

Intel Nova Lake preliminary desktop specs list 52 cores: 16P+32E+4LP configuration

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-nova-lake-preliminary-desktop-specs-list-52-cores-16p32e4lp-configuration

Hot Chips 2025 conference officially set for August 24-26

https://videocardz.com/pixel/hot-chips-2025-conference-officially-set-for-august-24-26

Nvidia says it's investigating RTX 50-series GPUs with widespread issues

https://www.neowin.net/news/nvidia-says-its-investigating-rtx-50-series-gpus-with-widespread-issues/

ASRock to Shift Manufacturing in Response to Trump's China Tariffs

https://www.pcmag.com/news/asrock-to-shift-manufacturing-in-response-to-trumps-china-tariffs

Wonder Woman game has already cost $100 million; “years away from release, if it ever makes it to market”

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/wonder-woman-game-has-already-cost-100-million-%E2%80%9Cyears-away-from-release-if-it-ever-makes-it-to-market%E2%80%9D.1680545/

Why in the fuck do modern games cost so damn much yet the results are so mid. While WW remains to be see how good, mid or bad it is, a lot of games these days have insane budgets for what really shouldn't be the norm.



                  

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT reportedly launches March 6

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-reportedly-launches-march-6

Hopefully they price this right. Assuming 9070XT is around 5070 Ti performance and 5070 Ti is $750, if they price is like..

$700 = 9070 XT DoA
$650 = Good but not killer price
$600 = 5070 Ti and 5070 DoA

I made some little back-of-the-envelope calculations with the leaked performance of the 9070XT, and if those are correct then the 9070XT should be ~5-10% faster than the 5070Ti (extrapolated by comparing the performance to the 4080, then taking the performance difference between the 5080 and 4080 and then comparing the specs of the 5070 Ti to those of the 5080), while the 9070 non-XT should be 12-20% faster than the 5070.

One question about the price of the 5070Ti (and possibly the 9070XT, though probably to a lesser extent) is that "Will they even sell at MSRP?". Most 5080 and 5090 non-FE models have a frankly ludicrous markup, so if the same happens with the 5070Ti then even a $700 pricetag could be well below the price most 5070Ti will be selling at. But I agree that it would be a bad view for AMD and my price expectations are more like $600 for the 9070XT and $500 for the 9070 non-XT, which if my performance predicitions stay true seem like a good price to me.

We will see how it pans out in the reviews. Radeons own expectations based on official slides show around 7900XT performance for 9070XT. 4080 Super is faster than 7900XTX. Considering 4nm is a small improvement vs 5nm and 9070XT has 64CUs vs 60CUs of 7800XT, they would need 40-50% jump gen on gen effectively. Idk man, I have my doubts lol. Granted you can't compare different arches that way and maybe Radeon can pull a rabbit out of it's hat. But I highly doubt they made that big of a jump. Where as against say 7900XT like Radeons own slides are suggesting, that would be more of a 25-30% gen on gen increase which makes more sense given the small node jump.

But hey, if they can pull a big jump like that, more power to them. But I have my doubts.



                  

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Wonder Woman game has already cost $100 million; “years away from release, if it ever makes it to market”

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/wonder-woman-game-has-already-cost-100-million-%E2%80%9Cyears-away-from-release-if-it-ever-makes-it-to-market%E2%80%9D.1680545/

Why in the fuck do modern games cost so damn much yet the results are so mid. While WW remains to be see how good, mid or bad it is, a lot of games these days have insane budgets for what really shouldn't be the norm.

Well, look at it this way:

The Wikipedia page for Monolith Productions says that it has 100+ employees. Now let's assume that the average pay for all of them is $35000 a year. Since the game had a trailer debut at the Game Awards of 2021, we can speculate that they had been working on it since early that year. So 4 years, 35k a year and 100 people means 14 millions just in wages... And that's a very low estimate as there are more than 100 employees and there's no way in Hell that the average pay, including directors and execs of the studio plus the ones on the publisher side are "only" $35K, and it's not hard to imagine this cost coming closer to 20 millions rather than 15 millions.

Then add the rent of the office(s), the bills (the electricity and water ones can't be small), all the yearly costs they have to pay to use the software tools since most of it will likely be subscription based, etc. and yeah, it's easy to imagine how the total sum can grow quite a lot and put it rather close to those $100 millions.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I made some little back-of-the-envelope calculations with the leaked performance of the 9070XT, and if those are correct then the 9070XT should be ~5-10% faster than the 5070Ti (extrapolated by comparing the performance to the 4080, then taking the performance difference between the 5080 and 4080 and then comparing the specs of the 5070 Ti to those of the 5080), while the 9070 non-XT should be 12-20% faster than the 5070.

One question about the price of the 5070Ti (and possibly the 9070XT, though probably to a lesser extent) is that "Will they even sell at MSRP?". Most 5080 and 5090 non-FE models have a frankly ludicrous markup, so if the same happens with the 5070Ti then even a $700 pricetag could be well below the price most 5070Ti will be selling at. But I agree that it would be a bad view for AMD and my price expectations are more like $600 for the 9070XT and $500 for the 9070 non-XT, which if my performance predicitions stay true seem like a good price to me.

We will see how it pans out in the reviews. Radeons own expectations based on official slides show around 7900XT performance for 9070XT. 4080 Super is faster than 7900XTX. Considering 4nm is a small improvement vs 5nm and 9070XT has 64CUs vs 60CUs of 7800XT, they would need 40-50% jump gen on gen effectively. Idk man, I have my doubts lol. Granted you can't compare different arches that way and maybe Radeon can pull a rabbit out of it's hat. But I highly doubt they made that big of a jump. Where as against say 7900XT like Radeons own slides are suggesting, that would be more of a 25-30% gen on gen increase which makes more sense given the small node jump.

But hey, if they can pull a big jump like that, more power to them. But I have my doubts.

I think the 4080S is faster than the 7900XTX in this because some amount of RT is being used, without RT (and one game where AMD's GPUs have atrociously low framerates due to some bug iir the last HU video correctly, not sure if that game is in their test suite) it should be in front.

Either way, I got the numbers from the leaks that compared the 9070XT to a 4080S, so those may be outliers, but it's the only data I have, so I had to go from there to make that calculation. We'll know more in a couple weeks I guess.

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Wonder Woman game has already cost $100 million; “years away from release, if it ever makes it to market”

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/wonder-woman-game-has-already-cost-100-million-%E2%80%9Cyears-away-from-release-if-it-ever-makes-it-to-market%E2%80%9D.1680545/

Why in the fuck do modern games cost so damn much yet the results are so mid. While WW remains to be see how good, mid or bad it is, a lot of games these days have insane budgets for what really shouldn't be the norm.

Joueur du Grenier had a great video (only in french, sadly) a couple weeks ago explaining why everybody is jumping on the open-world bandwagon, and explains the reasons why they are so expensive:

Basically, even the big publishers need investors, and those saw that open-world (and early GaaS) games sold well and are now pretty much mandating them before they invest their cash into the games. But since they need to get rushed out from there, they lack cruelly in imagination, innovation or interesting designs, and he argues that if the publishers continue going down that road they will slowly go the way of the dodo as it will bring them back less and less money to follow the investor's wishes.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

We will see how it pans out in the reviews. Radeons own expectations based on official slides show around 7900XT performance for 9070XT. 4080 Super is faster than 7900XTX. Considering 4nm is a small improvement vs 5nm and 9070XT has 64CUs vs 60CUs of 7800XT, they would need 40-50% jump gen on gen effectively. Idk man, I have my doubts lol. Granted you can't compare different arches that way and maybe Radeon can pull a rabbit out of it's hat. But I highly doubt they made that big of a jump. Where as against say 7900XT like Radeons own slides are suggesting, that would be more of a 25-30% gen on gen increase which makes more sense given the small node jump.

That's the more likely scenario.

The ~15% N4 'performance improvement' is more than reflected in the 2900 MHz clock speeds. Couple that with 6% more CUs vs. the 7800 and you land around the 7900 XT. Maybe it will have a little bit more performance than that from higher IPC (some leaks estimate the die to be as large as a 4080, so these transistors must be going somewhere) but it's obvious that RDNA4 is a stopgap architecture before UDNA.

The real questions are how good RT and FSR4 are going to be.



 

 

 

 

 

JEMC said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Wonder Woman game has already cost $100 million; “years away from release, if it ever makes it to market”

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/wonder-woman-game-has-already-cost-100-million-%E2%80%9Cyears-away-from-release-if-it-ever-makes-it-to-market%E2%80%9D.1680545/

Why in the fuck do modern games cost so damn much yet the results are so mid. While WW remains to be see how good, mid or bad it is, a lot of games these days have insane budgets for what really shouldn't be the norm.

Well, look at it this way:

The Wikipedia page for Monolith Productions says that it has 100+ employees. Now let's assume that the average pay for all of them is $35000 a year. Since the game had a trailer debut at the Game Awards of 2021, we can speculate that they had been working on it since early that year. So 4 years, 35k a year and 100 people means 14 millions just in wages... And that's a very low estimate as there are more than 100 employees and there's no way in Hell that the average pay, including directors and execs of the studio plus the ones on the publisher side are "only" $35K, and it's not hard to imagine this cost coming closer to 20 millions rather than 15 millions.

Then add the rent of the office(s), the bills (the electricity and water ones can't be small), all the yearly costs they have to pay to use the software tools since most of it will likely be subscription based, etc. and yeah, it's easy to imagine how the total sum can grow quite a lot and put it rather close to those $100 millions.

I get what you are trying to say but a lot of that was already a thing in prior generations of game development. It feels like the issue really is that for a lot of high profile games, they are taking an abnormally long time to come out vs prior generations. Like take a game like Concord. Why did that take 8 years to come out? Why is GTA VI taking two console generations to come out? Etc. It just feels like a lot of miss-management is happening in the games industry where things are ballooning out of control. I get the feeling that we are in for quite a shakeup if things continue to go this way.

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

We will see how it pans out in the reviews. Radeons own expectations based on official slides show around 7900XT performance for 9070XT. 4080 Super is faster than 7900XTX. Considering 4nm is a small improvement vs 5nm and 9070XT has 64CUs vs 60CUs of 7800XT, they would need 40-50% jump gen on gen effectively. Idk man, I have my doubts lol. Granted you can't compare different arches that way and maybe Radeon can pull a rabbit out of it's hat. But I highly doubt they made that big of a jump. Where as against say 7900XT like Radeons own slides are suggesting, that would be more of a 25-30% gen on gen increase which makes more sense given the small node jump.

But hey, if they can pull a big jump like that, more power to them. But I have my doubts.

I think the 4080S is faster than the 7900XTX in this because some amount of RT is being used, without RT (and one game where AMD's GPUs have atrociously low framerates due to some bug iir the last HU video correctly, not sure if that game is in their test suite) it should be in front.

Either way, I got the numbers from the leaks that compared the 9070XT to a 4080S, so those may be outliers, but it's the only data I have, so I had to go from there to make that calculation. We'll know more in a couple weeks I guess.

Nah techpowerup has a different section for Ray Tracing tests so that should be pure Raster. HUB does show the 4080 Super being slightly ahead of 7900XTX at 1440p while 7900XTX is slightly faster than 4080 Super at 4k.

But either way the difference between 7900XTX and the base 4080 (non-super) at 4k is 5% and at 1440p is 1.4% where as the difference between 7900XTX and 7900XT is 20% according to HUB. Maybe Radeon will do a "jebait" and be like, "we beat our expectations" sorta thing. But idk, I think 9070 XT and 5070 Ti will be pretty close in performance. And if that does happen, I really hope Radeon prices it well since with xbox shitting the bed, gpus are becoming more and more important.



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
JEMC said:

Well, look at it this way:

The Wikipedia page for Monolith Productions says that it has 100+ employees. Now let's assume that the average pay for all of them is $35000 a year. Since the game had a trailer debut at the Game Awards of 2021, we can speculate that they had been working on it since early that year. So 4 years, 35k a year and 100 people means 14 millions just in wages... And that's a very low estimate as there are more than 100 employees and there's no way in Hell that the average pay, including directors and execs of the studio plus the ones on the publisher side are "only" $35K, and it's not hard to imagine this cost coming closer to 20 millions rather than 15 millions.

Then add the rent of the office(s), the bills (the electricity and water ones can't be small), all the yearly costs they have to pay to use the software tools since most of it will likely be subscription based, etc. and yeah, it's easy to imagine how the total sum can grow quite a lot and put it rather close to those $100 millions.

I get what you are trying to say but a lot of that was already a thing in prior generations of game development. It feels like the issue really is that for a lot of high profile games, they are taking an abnormally long time to come out vs prior generations. Like take a game like Concord. Why did that take 8 years to come out? Why is GTA VI taking two console generations to come out? Etc. It just feels like a lot of miss-management is happening in the games industry where things are ballooning out of control. I get the feeling that we are in for quite a shakeup if things continue to go this way.

Textures need to be of higher quality, maps more detailed and usually bigger, improved AI, and more motion capture and voiceover work, etc. and all that takes more time and money.

Why did Concord need 8 years to be made? No idea. I wonder how much of that time was spent in meetings and discussions and how much was actually developing the game.

Why is GTA 6 taking so long? Well, Rockstar also made RDR2, and given how much has GTA 5 kept selling and the big success of GTA Online, neither them nor Take Two were in a hurry to move on to the next title.

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I think the 4080S is faster than the 7900XTX in this because some amount of RT is being used, without RT (and one game where AMD's GPUs have atrociously low framerates due to some bug iir the last HU video correctly, not sure if that game is in their test suite) it should be in front.

Either way, I got the numbers from the leaks that compared the 9070XT to a 4080S, so those may be outliers, but it's the only data I have, so I had to go from there to make that calculation. We'll know more in a couple weeks I guess.

Nah techpowerup has a different section for Ray Tracing tests so that should be pure Raster. HUB does show the 4080 Super being slightly ahead of 7900XTX at 1440p while 7900XTX is slightly faster than 4080 Super at 4k.

But either way the difference between 7900XTX and the base 4080 (non-super) at 4k is 5% and at 1440p is 1.4% where as the difference between 7900XTX and 7900XT is 20% according to HUB. Maybe Radeon will do a "jebait" and be like, "we beat our expectations" sorta thing. But idk, I think 9070 XT and 5070 Ti will be pretty close in performance. And if that does happen, I really hope Radeon prices it well since with xbox shitting the bed, gpus are becoming more and more important.

Let's keep in mind that the leak/rumor said that AMD was aiming "close to 4080S in raster", not that they would match it. If they come within 5-10% of that, I think it would be within reason, at least from the point of view of that rumor/leak.

But we'll see in, hopefully, less than a month.



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JEMC said:

Thanks! I got all VR tables for around 10 bucks in total.

10 Star Wars tables, Back to the Future Trilogy (table changes for the different time periods), Jaws, E. T., The Walking Dead and the Season 1 pack.