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JEMC said:

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Wonder Woman game has already cost $100 million; “years away from release, if it ever makes it to market”

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/wonder-woman-game-has-already-cost-100-million-%E2%80%9Cyears-away-from-release-if-it-ever-makes-it-to-market%E2%80%9D.1680545/

Why in the fuck do modern games cost so damn much yet the results are so mid. While WW remains to be see how good, mid or bad it is, a lot of games these days have insane budgets for what really shouldn't be the norm.

Well, look at it this way:

The Wikipedia page for Monolith Productions says that it has 100+ employees. Now let's assume that the average pay for all of them is $35000 a year. Since the game had a trailer debut at the Game Awards of 2021, we can speculate that they had been working on it since early that year. So 4 years, 35k a year and 100 people means 14 millions just in wages... And that's a very low estimate as there are more than 100 employees and there's no way in Hell that the average pay, including directors and execs of the studio plus the ones on the publisher side are "only" $35K, and it's not hard to imagine this cost coming closer to 20 millions rather than 15 millions.

Then add the rent of the office(s), the bills (the electricity and water ones can't be small), all the yearly costs they have to pay to use the software tools since most of it will likely be subscription based, etc. and yeah, it's easy to imagine how the total sum can grow quite a lot and put it rather close to those $100 millions.

I get what you are trying to say but a lot of that was already a thing in prior generations of game development. It feels like the issue really is that for a lot of high profile games, they are taking an abnormally long time to come out vs prior generations. Like take a game like Concord. Why did that take 8 years to come out? Why is GTA VI taking two console generations to come out? Etc. It just feels like a lot of miss-management is happening in the games industry where things are ballooning out of control. I get the feeling that we are in for quite a shakeup if things continue to go this way.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

We will see how it pans out in the reviews. Radeons own expectations based on official slides show around 7900XT performance for 9070XT. 4080 Super is faster than 7900XTX. Considering 4nm is a small improvement vs 5nm and 9070XT has 64CUs vs 60CUs of 7800XT, they would need 40-50% jump gen on gen effectively. Idk man, I have my doubts lol. Granted you can't compare different arches that way and maybe Radeon can pull a rabbit out of it's hat. But I highly doubt they made that big of a jump. Where as against say 7900XT like Radeons own slides are suggesting, that would be more of a 25-30% gen on gen increase which makes more sense given the small node jump.

But hey, if they can pull a big jump like that, more power to them. But I have my doubts.

I think the 4080S is faster than the 7900XTX in this because some amount of RT is being used, without RT (and one game where AMD's GPUs have atrociously low framerates due to some bug iir the last HU video correctly, not sure if that game is in their test suite) it should be in front.

Either way, I got the numbers from the leaks that compared the 9070XT to a 4080S, so those may be outliers, but it's the only data I have, so I had to go from there to make that calculation. We'll know more in a couple weeks I guess.

Nah techpowerup has a different section for Ray Tracing tests so that should be pure Raster. HUB does show the 4080 Super being slightly ahead of 7900XTX at 1440p while 7900XTX is slightly faster than 4080 Super at 4k.

But either way the difference between 7900XTX and the base 4080 (non-super) at 4k is 5% and at 1440p is 1.4% where as the difference between 7900XTX and 7900XT is 20% according to HUB. Maybe Radeon will do a "jebait" and be like, "we beat our expectations" sorta thing. But idk, I think 9070 XT and 5070 Ti will be pretty close in performance. And if that does happen, I really hope Radeon prices it well since with xbox shitting the bed, gpus are becoming more and more important.