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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 22 August 2020

So one crazy thing that you can do in MS Flight Sim is because the game uses real time flight data, if you have a family member that is flying, you can follow their plane in game!



https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ie0t2r/yesterday_i_was_able_to_follow_my_brothers_real/

This really is some next level shit!



                  

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Trumpstyle on 22 August 2020
Captain_Yuri said:

Yea AMD has known to make up nonsense slides based on questionable metrics before... Where are you getting the 35% from?

20% if you are rounding up is rumoured to be at best, on par with a 3080. Not to mention that is a pretty random benchmark instead of something like Time Spy and that benchmark also has some weird results...

So the only benchmark rumour shows less than 20% performance improvement yet you are turning that into 35%?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-series-x-silicon-breakdown-hot-chips-2020-analysis-digital-foundry.272157/page-5#post-43192200

"That is not what we put out, rather I have said that it was close to a 2080 or "broadly similar to" it in the gears 5 benchmark on Ultra with no dynamic res on - in actuality it performed a bit below the 2080 in the gears 5 benchmark as Richard has said in one of his Videos. So nothing about 100 fps or whatever you say there. Regarding RT performance, we have said nothing definitive yet since there is not definitive comparisons out there without Vsync on - so we will have to wait for the game's to Release. But the rumbling in my gut elsewhere does not make me think it will be exactly be RTX 2080 Tiered."

If you look at the benchmark, it beat the highest overclocked geforce 2080 ti by around 20%, which put it around 35% over against the founders edition 2080 ti. There's this tweet also:

Over 2x Navi 10 performance put Big navi around +35% against geforce 2080 ti. For the openvr benchmark, you can check any benchmark you will always find gpus getting low scores because many people test it (in this case geforce 2080 ti) and someone probably using watercooled on certain gpu to reach high score (5700xt in this case). https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode=advanced

Somehow I just found another entry of this unknown amd gpu and I never seen anyone link to this one before on a forum:

Source:https://steamcommunity.com/app/955610#scrollTop=1456

For Dictator, I would w8 before comparing gpu performance, the gears 5 he is talking about was running on 2 week port if I remember correctly. But if you look at the Xbox series X gpu it has 12TF for ~160W based on that hot chip presentation.

I also wanna note, this is all just speculation, we will see where things land.

Last edited by Trumpstyle - on 22 August 2020

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 22 August 2020
Trumpstyle said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Yea AMD has known to make up nonsense slides based on questionable metrics before... Where are you getting the 35% from?

20% if you are rounding up is rumoured to be at best, on par with a 3080. Not to mention that is a pretty random benchmark instead of something like Time Spy and that benchmark also has some weird results...

So the only benchmark rumour shows less than 20% performance improvement yet you are turning that into 35%?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-series-x-silicon-breakdown-hot-chips-2020-analysis-digital-foundry.272157/page-5#post-43192200

"That is not what we put out, rather I have said that it was close to a 2080 or "broadly similar to" it in the gears 5 benchmark on Ultra with no dynamic res on - in actuality it performed a bit below the 2080 in the gears 5 benchmark as Richard has said in one of his Videos. So nothing about 100 fps or whatever you say there. Regarding RT performance, we have said nothing definitive yet since there is not definitive comparisons out there without Vsync on - so we will have to wait for the game's to Release. But the rumbling in my gut elsewhere does not make me think it will be exactly be RTX 2080 Tiered."

If you look at the benchmark, it beat the highest overclocked geforce 2080 ti by around 20%, which put it around 35% over against the founders edition 2080 ti. There's this tweet also:

Over 2x Navi 10 performance put Big navi around +35% against geforce 2080 ti. For the openvr benchmark, you can check any benchmark you will always find gpus getting low scores because many people test it (in this case geforce 2080 ti) and someone probably using watercooled on certain gpu to reach high score (5700xt in this case). https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode=advanced

Somehow I just found another entry of this unknown amd gpu and I never seen anyone link to this one before on a forum:

Source:https://steamcommunity.com/app/955610#scrollTop=1456

For Dictator, I would w8 before comparing gpu performance, the gears 5 he is talking about was running on 2 week port if I remember correctly. But if you look at the Xbox series X gpu it has 12TF for ~160W based on that hot chip presentation.

I also wanna note, this is all just speculation, we will see where things land.

But how do you tell which one is the founders edition? I don't see any clock information or any other info about the GPU.

And yea I am aware of that tweet but we haven't heard anything since then.

Except even with watercooling, 5700 XT can't reach 2080 Ti levels:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1883-overclocking-radeon-rx-5700/

But somehow in that benchmark it can? That in itself sounds sketchy... Not to mention the name 5700 / 5700 XT...

And yea, I agree that this is all speculation but I don't get where the optimism is coming from considering AMD's track record when it comes to their GPUs and the new evidence that has come to light with RDNA 2's architecture which is essentially just RDNA 1 with ray tracing and support for Direct X 12 ultimate feature set. If it was a radical change, I'd agree that RDNA 2 should beat Ampere but it's not from what we know so far based on actual facts. Sure it could change by the time RDNA 2 comes and I hope it does but it feels like we are at the second stage of the Sonic cycle.

Last edited by Jizz_Beard_thePirate - on 22 August 2020

                  

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Trumpstyle on 22 August 2020
Captain_Yuri said:

But how do you tell which one is the founders edition? I don't see any clock information or any other info about the GPU.

And yea I am aware of that tweet but we haven't heard anything since then.

Except even with watercooling, 5700 XT can't reach 2080 Ti levels:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1883-overclocking-radeon-rx-5700/

But somehow in that benchmark it can? That in itself sounds sketchy... Not to mention the name 5700 / 5700 XT...

And yea, I agree that this is all speculation but I don't get where the optimism is coming from considering AMD's track record when it comes to their GPUs and the new evidence that has come to light with RDNA 2's architecture which is essentially just RDNA 1 with ray tracing and support for Direct X 12 ultimate feature set. If it was a radical change, I'd agree that RDNA 2 should beat Ampere but it's not from what we know so far based on actual facts. Sure it could change by the time RDNA 2 comes and I hope it does but it feels like we are at the second stage of the Sonic cycle.

I don't remember everything as I don't follow this stuff so much anymore, I did during next-gen console speculation. The dude that made that openvr benchmark made a few comments on reddit, he said it beat the highest overclocked geforce 2080 ti, so I just looked at techpowerup for the highest overclocked 2080 ti and come to the conclusion 35% advantage for big navi.

What I meant that overclocked 5700xt can come close to geforce 2080 ti is because the 2080 ti scored really low, much lower than it was suppose to do, this happens in every benchmark, I gave a link where you could searched firestrike/Timespy and see for yourself.

I'm optimistic for big navi based on console clocks, Amd own presentation and now hot chip presentation:

You can see on this picture Xbox series X gpu should pull the same as Xbox one X, the entire console of Xbox one X pulled around 170-200W. So I just assume Rdna2 gpu at 12TF will pull ~160W probably lower.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 22 August 2020
Trumpstyle said:
Captain_Yuri said:

But how do you tell which one is the founders edition? I don't see any clock information or any other info about the GPU.

And yea I am aware of that tweet but we haven't heard anything since then.

Except even with watercooling, 5700 XT can't reach 2080 Ti levels:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1883-overclocking-radeon-rx-5700/

But somehow in that benchmark it can? That in itself sounds sketchy... Not to mention the name 5700 / 5700 XT...

And yea, I agree that this is all speculation but I don't get where the optimism is coming from considering AMD's track record when it comes to their GPUs and the new evidence that has come to light with RDNA 2's architecture which is essentially just RDNA 1 with ray tracing and support for Direct X 12 ultimate feature set. If it was a radical change, I'd agree that RDNA 2 should beat Ampere but it's not from what we know so far based on actual facts. Sure it could change by the time RDNA 2 comes and I hope it does but it feels like we are at the second stage of the Sonic cycle.

I don't remember everything as I don't follow this stuff so much anymore, I did during next-gen console speculation. The dude that made that openvr benchmark made a few comments on reddit, he said it beat the highest overclocked geforce 2080 ti, so I just looked at techpowerup for the highest overclocked 2080 ti and come to the conclusion 35% advantage for big navi.

What I meant that overclocked 5700xt can come close to geforce 2080 ti is because the 2080 ti scored really low, much lower than it was suppose to do, this happens in every benchmark, I gave a link where you could searched firestrike/Timespy and see for yourself.

I'm optimistic for big navi based on console clocks, Amd own presentation and now hot chip presentation:

You can see on this picture Xbox series X gpu should pull the same as Xbox one X, the entire console of Xbox one X pulled around 170-200W. So I just assume Rdna2 gpu at 12TF will pull ~160W probably lower.

The thing with that is... It beat the highest clock 2080 Ti on the benchmark platform. So you can't just look at the highest clocked 2080Ti somewhere else and assume it's the same one. Specially when the platform isn't a very popular one.

If you look at the benchmark I posted, 5700 XT is #22 from the top. The reason why the numbers are 52 Fps vs 100 Fps on the benchmark you posted is because of the resolution difference due to the headset. In this resolution, the highest fps from a 2080 Ti is around 62fps. So I doubt it's due to the 2080 Ti being very low clocked. What it does show is that this benchmark can certainly have nonsense results. For all we know, this could fall under Big Navi's Edge case where on certain games/platforms, AMD intends to keep up with the very best from Nvidia vs what the norm is where AMD falls very notably behind compared to Nvidia's best. I wouldn't put much faith on this benchmark as you are doing.

Series X power consumption figures are really good, I'll give you that. The Xbox One X also had pretty good power consumption figures at the time too. How that work out for Vega?

Last edited by Jizz_Beard_thePirate - on 22 August 2020

                  

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Chazore on 22 August 2020

I just don't see AMD pulling up to Nvidia's highest and beating them or being 50/50 with them, let alone next gen.



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Conina on 22 August 2020
Captain_Yuri said:

My hard drive situation is that I am a bit of a data hoarder.

For my PC, it's 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD as the main OS drive. Then I have a 500GB Samsung 850 Evo SSD from my last computer. 4TB Western Digital Black Hard drive and 10TB Seagate hard drive.

Don't worry, there are bigger data hoarders than you.

What is this "uninstalling" everyone is talking about?



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 22 August 2020
Conina said:
Captain_Yuri said:

My hard drive situation is that I am a bit of a data hoarder.

For my PC, it's 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD as the main OS drive. Then I have a 500GB Samsung 850 Evo SSD from my last computer. 4TB Western Digital Black Hard drive and 10TB Seagate hard drive.

Don't worry, there are bigger data hoarders than you.

What is this "uninstalling" everyone is talking about?



                  

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Bofferbrauer2 on 22 August 2020
Conina said:
Captain_Yuri said:

My hard drive situation is that I am a bit of a data hoarder.

For my PC, it's 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD as the main OS drive. Then I have a 500GB Samsung 850 Evo SSD from my last computer. 4TB Western Digital Black Hard drive and 10TB Seagate hard drive.

Don't worry, there are bigger data hoarders than you.

What is this "uninstalling" everyone is talking about?

Just how many drives did you JBOD or RAID together to get to 22TB?

Also, how can it use up 22GB more space than it has???



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Chazore on 22 August 2020
Conina said:

Don't worry, there are bigger data hoarders than you.

What is this "uninstalling" everyone is talking about?

haha...WHAT THE FUCK, Conina



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