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bananaking21 said:
im not a PC tech guy by any means. but isnt an core i3 just 4 CPU cores?

2 cores.


The thing about AMD is they add more weaker cores to compete with Intel's superior cores.  Number of cores doesn't really mean much... espiecally with hyperthreading.



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disolitude said:
DietSoap said:
2gb for GPU Ram when even a launch title in the form of Killzone Shadowfall is already using 3.5gb as VRAM is... troubling moving forward, to say the least.

Buying any card short of 4gb right now seems like suicide for the very near future. Waiting for 6gb on a non ridiculously priced card personally to air on the side of caution.

This is false. Your GPU ram is only good if it can be utilized by the GPU itself. A GPU found in PS4, with 176 GB/s shared bandwidth with the CPU(more like 140 GB/s for GPU alone) and 1100-something cores can not push enough pixels to utilize 4 GB in a single frame.  Killzone Shadowfas can utilize 3.5 GB of VRAM at some point thanks to texture caching or other elements it decides to store on the GPU, but it will never ever ever ever use 3.5 GB in a single frame, hence a 2 GB GPU would be plenty.

There are GPUs that are 2-3X more powerful than PS4 GPU (GTX 690 and 7990) which cant utilize 2 or 3 GB of RAM before the GPU itself becomes the framerate bottleneck. We're talking massive 5760x1200 resolutions here...

I'd like for you to specify exactly what is false, because considering you acknowledged the 3.5gb, I'm left to assume you meant it's false that buying less than that would be suicide. To say that is false assumes developers aren't just going to optimise for consoles and then do a quick and dirty port to PC (yes, despite being made for all intents and purposes on a PC) for almost every title like we saw this generation.

And don't get me wrong, I'd love for you to be right since I'd love to buy an 8850 whenever it's out and have been waiting on that for a good while now, but right now I'd rather air on the side of caution rather than be sorry in two years.



Also, for people saying you need to buy a gamepad?

Unlike the PS4 and Xone... Your PS3 and 360 gamepads will work on the PC.

I use a PS3 controller on my PC for sports games and the like.



Just ask yourself if a multiplatform title from today really works on a 650 $ PC from 2005.



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Additionally, everytime I see these threads I think... "Why do people argue tech specs with Disolitude."

Outside Trash there is nobody I know who seems to know more about this stuff.

Sadly Trash won't ever post in these threads however exactly because people are more interested in arguing about tech then studying and learning it.


That an I3 beats the other CPU's is pretty crazy considering i'm posting right now fro an I5 laptop... Is there really no need for an I5 (Let alone I7) on a desktop?



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Kasz216 said:
Additionally, everytime I see these threads I think... "Why do people argue tech specs with Disolitude."

Outside Trash there is nobody I know who seems to know more about this stuff.

Sadly Trash won't ever post in these threads however exactly because people are more interested in arguing about tech then studying and learning it.


That an I3 beats the other CPU's is pretty crazy considering i'm posting right now fro an I5 laptop... Is there really no need for an I5 (Let alone I7) on a desktop?

If you even read my post thoroughly you'd understand what I said doesn't even contradict what he said.



Why do people think that this PC has bottlenecks? I think it's a very well balanced build. The CPU compliments the video card nicely and is actually a very competent gaming CPU, and 4GB of RAM is plenty for games these days and suits the system nicely.

However, in a few years I imagine the PS4 will be able to do things well beyond what this build can and to upgrade the CPU or GPU in this machine would likely cause bottlenecks and you would need a complete rebuild. For games out there right now though this is an excellent machine for the price, in fact I'm considering building this machine myself now....



Where's the keyboard? Mouse? Monitor? Cost of labour?



Given that both consoles will have 8GB of RAM, I think that going with only 4GB of RAM (for a total of 6GB) could turn into a problem later, so I'd personally go with 8GB of RAM (for a total of 10GB), but it's a very balanced build.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

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disolitude said:

I suppose thats the memory utilized by Killzone?

If it is, thanks for proving me right.

This game would run fine on a 1gb nvidia card with its 800mb render targets. some textures may suffer from pop in but it wont be too noticable.

When running out of VRAM, modern GPUs will run into a hybrid mode where the drivers/GPU start streaming texture data from system RAM over the PCIe bus to make up for the "missing" RAM.  All this other stuff can be loaded on the fly as the card needs it...pixel shaders, textures...etc... but if render target absolutely can not be > than VRAM, if it is, you get bottleneck and frame rate drops.

You misunderstood again... only 572MB is cache.... everything else is used to make the scene... you need the used texture loaded in memory to use them.