Don't get me wrong, I would never suggest Nintendo go in the red for a prolongued period. I'm saying that sales will go up when the price is right. Until then the market won't bite, even if the games are there.

As for looking reactionary, that doesn't matter. The 3DS may have looked reactionary to Vita's price but it didn't make a difference. Ultimately if the price is right perception of reactionary measures doesn't matter.

If and only if you think you can put a price tag on the Wii U in the absence of competition. To reiterate, right now the Wii U is the console on the market with the fewest games and the highest price point, so the comparison with the PS3/ 360 is deeply unfavorable to it.

Come hardware launch, that flips. It's the cheap console with the early midlife library when everyone else is more expensive and has only a launch library. And parenthetically, it's the only console which truly adds functionality to entertainment centers, even if they've already got a console: the gamepad adds a second screen. The comparison is radically different, and the Wii U winds up looking like great value, even at $350. It just has to be compared to next gen consoles, not current gen ones.

 gave u legit reasons why Wii U is currently selling less than GC last night and instead of coming up with any counter, u go and ask other the people the same thing? Do u have any reason to believe lifetime sales will be less than GC other than, because it currently is?"

Sorry I didn't see the above post. I thought it was only Zero that quoted me (as the thread got a load bigger so I didn't check the whole thing). And I didn't go around asking anything, I was only replying to people.

As for your points:

1) We don't know what impact the PS4 & XB1 will have, but it isn't unlikely that combined they will have a similar effect on Wii U sales. It could even be worse, given that PS360 sales are continuing and the Wii U is also positioned against them.

2) Could well help, can't really say. I'm not sure these differences are that big to people who aren't core Nintendo fans who get the console anyway. And hasn't the reaction to these games been "Why isn't it a Mario Universe?" and "Why isn't it a Metroid?". I personally thought a Galaxy successor would be what is most wanted and would sell the best.

3) True, but this crowd isn't likely to come back anyway so is a loss to both consoles.

Yes, the main reason why lifetime sales look to be lower than GC is that every month so far it has been. It is the only solid evidence we have, as the rest is speculation. Also there are big advantages that the Wii U had over GC (like NSMB and a year head start) that didn't help, so why are people so sure the others will? This means the assumption right now should be that it will sell less.

The momentum it had, though, would have meant that it would have either been GameCube or Xbox forced into irrelevance.

I agree that the ecosystem really can't support more than three systems, but it's easy to forget that Dreamcast died out at 50% of what the Xbox and GameCube each achieved by the end of their time.

I would normally agree with you, but the market that buys Nintendo consoles doesn't buy them at 350$. It's the historical trend so far, no matter how much more affordable they are than the competing products.

Sorry for the snarky remark, I thought u were simply ignoring my points

But do u really believe if Pikmin 3, W101, Rayman Legends, Wii Fit/Wii Party U were all out by now like originally planned, Wii U would still be tracking lower than GC?

And ur right NSMB and head start are advantages Wii U has but at the same time its also at a disadvantage because Wii U is currently the most expensive console on the market and NSMB is the only big game available. By this time next year Wii U will have the games I listed above, plus DKC, 3D World(both pretty much gauranteed to sell 5m+), Mario Kart 8, likely a price cut, be $100-200 cheaper than the comp and PS4/One could very well have a post launch slump as well do to PS360 having many of the same games.

Again like I said earlier, NSMB will not push a $350 console by itself. I feel the series has gotten a bit stale, the one on DS was the first 2D Mario in 15 years, Wii version the first console 2D Mario in ovwr 15 years and added co-op. 2 & U didnt add much and the serirs is no longer "New". I think 3D Land/World are a nice bridge between the New and Galaxy series and the masses will be more receptive to it vs NSMBU.

Also the people crying about Universe/Metroid are mostly hardcore gamers and those series dont sell as well as accesible Mario or DKC. I think both of those games will comr in 2015 buy right now it makes more sense to release games that are safe bets and likely sell better.

The momentum it had, though, would have meant that it would have either been GameCube or Xbox forced into irrelevance.

I agree that the ecosystem really can't support more than three systems, but it's easy to forget that Dreamcast died out at 50% of what the Xbox and GameCube each achieved by the end of their time.

the market for ps and xbox work the same since it wasn't until the ps360 got bellow the $300 mark that they started to sell well.