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Who wins the finals?

Spurs in 6 16 21.62%
 
Spurs in 7 16 21.62%
 
Heat in 7 42 56.76%
 
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Jaywood2010 on 19 June 2013
burninmylight said:
JayWood2010 said:


For the last two rounds it has been clear what people has been doing to James.  Take your chances on him shooting and he has failed miserablty at it.  He hasnt even played good in this series.  Last night he played good in the 4th quater but that was it.  

For an all time great James should be doing much better than he has been in the playoffs.

I was just about to say the same thing: everyone's FG% goes down since 1) you're playing the elite defenses, and  2) everyone has a lot more time to do their homework on you over the course of a series.

But the dude shot 11/26 last night. That's 42 percent: not outstanding, but not bad. So-so. But keep in mind he's playing the Spurs. The freaking Spurs. A top three team in defenseive efficiency. You want to know who else is in the top three? Memphis is #2, and Indiana is #1. The same Indiana that LeBron just got through beating. And before Indiana? Chicago, the eight-ranked team in terms of defensive efficiency. So in LeBron's current series plus his last two, he's faced/facing three top-10 defenses. How does his FG% not go down?

Oh and by the way, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that he recorded a triple double last night! 32 points, 10 rebounds, 11 assists. So it's not like he was just sitting on his hands when he wasn't shooting. Give the man a break.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/defensive-efficiency


He played outstanding last night.  best he has played in both series probably.  But like i said he is suppose to be an all time great and he isn't efficiently doing this.  Michael Jordan dominated in the post-season and no it isnt fair to compare James to Jordan but that is what is going to happen when you are considered an all-time great.




       

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burninmylight on 19 June 2013
JayWood2010 said:
burninmylight said:
JayWood2010 said:


For the last two rounds it has been clear what people has been doing to James.  Take your chances on him shooting and he has failed miserablty at it.  He hasnt even played good in this series.  Last night he played good in the 4th quater but that was it.  

For an all time great James should be doing much better than he has been in the playoffs.

I was just about to say the same thing: everyone's FG% goes down since 1) you're playing the elite defenses, and  2) everyone has a lot more time to do their homework on you over the course of a series.

But the dude shot 11/26 last night. That's 42 percent: not outstanding, but not bad. So-so. But keep in mind he's playing the Spurs. The freaking Spurs. A top three team in defenseive efficiency. You want to know who else is in the top three? Memphis is #2, and Indiana is #1. The same Indiana that LeBron just got through beating. And before Indiana? Chicago, the eight-ranked team in terms of defensive efficiency. So in LeBron's current series plus his last two, he's faced/facing three top-10 defenses. How does his FG% not go down?

Oh and by the way, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that he recorded a triple double last night! 32 points, 10 rebounds, 11 assists. So it's not like he was just sitting on his hands when he wasn't shooting. Give the man a break.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/defensive-efficiency


He played outstanding last night.  best he has played in both series probably.  But like i said he is suppose to be an all time great and he isn't efficiently doing this.  Michael Jordan dominated in the post-season and no it isnt fair to compare James to Jordan but that is what is going to happen when you are considered an all-time great.

He's about halfway through his career right now. It's not fair to talk as if his legacy is completely written. It's not fair to call him an all-time great when he's still making his legacy now.

Michael Jordan has had it a lot easier over the course of his career than James has had it ever. Jordan has always, always been a media darling. People have hated James since he was in high school because of his nickname (King James) and his high school games being broadcast on ESPN (not to mention "The Decision" and the "Not two, not three, not four!" pep rally). And there wasn't nearly as much sports coverage of Jordan's every little move the way their is of James'. If those two hopped in a time machine and took each others' place in their respective eras, James wouldn't look so bad and Jordan wouldn't look so good. It took Jordan seven years to win his first ring, and it's taken LeBron the same amount of time, yet the media never mounted the same amount of pressure on MJ because there just wasn't as much media  to breath down MJ's neck back then.

And let me ask you this: do you know who Booby Gibson, Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshell, Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Drew Gooden are? If you're not a hardcore b-ball fan, probably not.  Outside of a couple of All-Star appearances from Ilgauskas in a crappy Eastern conference and Defensive 1st Team from Hughes, they're a bunch of scrubs that had no business ever making an NBA finals. But guess who carried them there on his back? Yeah, it was probably the worst team to ever make an NBA Finals (I'm still trying to decide between them and Iverson's '01 Sixers), but that says a lot about just how much that Cavs team was LBJ and no one else.



adriane23 on 19 June 2013
burninmylight said:
JayWood2010 said:
burninmylight said:
JayWood2010 said:


For the last two rounds it has been clear what people has been doing to James.  Take your chances on him shooting and he has failed miserablty at it.  He hasnt even played good in this series.  Last night he played good in the 4th quater but that was it.  

For an all time great James should be doing much better than he has been in the playoffs.

I was just about to say the same thing: everyone's FG% goes down since 1) you're playing the elite defenses, and  2) everyone has a lot more time to do their homework on you over the course of a series.

But the dude shot 11/26 last night. That's 42 percent: not outstanding, but not bad. So-so. But keep in mind he's playing the Spurs. The freaking Spurs. A top three team in defenseive efficiency. You want to know who else is in the top three? Memphis is #2, and Indiana is #1. The same Indiana that LeBron just got through beating. And before Indiana? Chicago, the eight-ranked team in terms of defensive efficiency. So in LeBron's current series plus his last two, he's faced/facing three top-10 defenses. How does his FG% not go down?

Oh and by the way, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that he recorded a triple double last night! 32 points, 10 rebounds, 11 assists. So it's not like he was just sitting on his hands when he wasn't shooting. Give the man a break.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/defensive-efficiency


He played outstanding last night.  best he has played in both series probably.  But like i said he is suppose to be an all time great and he isn't efficiently doing this.  Michael Jordan dominated in the post-season and no it isnt fair to compare James to Jordan but that is what is going to happen when you are considered an all-time great.

He's about halfway through his career right now. It's not fair to talk as if his legacy is completely written. It's not fair to call him an all-time great when he's still making his legacy now.

Michael Jordan has had it a lot easier over the course of his career than James has had it ever. Jordan has always, always been a media darling. People have hated James since he was in high school because of his nickname (King James) and his high school games being broadcast on ESPN (not to mention "The Decision" and the "Not two, not three, not four!" pep rally). And there wasn't nearly as much sports coverage of Jordan's every little move the way their is of James'. If those two hopped in a time machine and took each others' place in their respective eras, James wouldn't look so bad and Jordan wouldn't look so good. It took Jordan seven years to win his first ring, and it's taken LeBron the same amount of time, yet the media never mounted the same amount of pressure on MJ because there just wasn't as much media  to breath down MJ's neck back then.

And let me ask you this: do you know who Booby Gibson, Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshell, Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Drew Gooden are? If you're not a hardcore b-ball fan, probably not.  Outside of a couple of All-Star appearances from Ilgauskas in a crappy Eastern conference and Defensive 1st Team from Hughes, they're a bunch of scrubs that had no business ever making an NBA finals. But guess who carried them there on his back? Yeah, it was probably the worst team to ever make an NBA Finals (I'm still trying to decide between them and Iverson's '01 Sixers), but that says a lot about just how much that Cavs team was LBJ and no one else.

Someone actually knows something about basketball on this site???



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Jaywood2010 on 19 June 2013
burninmylight said:
JayWood2010 said:
burninmylight said:


He played outstanding last night.  best he has played in both series probably.  But like i said he is suppose to be an all time great and he isn't efficiently doing this.  Michael Jordan dominated in the post-season and no it isnt fair to compare James to Jordan but that is what is going to happen when you are considered an all-time great.

He's about halfway through his career right now. It's not fair to talk as if his legacy is completely written. It's not fair to call him an all-time great when he's still making his legacy now.

Michael Jordan has had it a lot easier over the course of his career than James has had it ever. Jordan has always, always been a media darling. People have hated James since he was in high school because of his nickname (King James) and his high school games being broadcast on ESPN (not to mention "The Decision" and the "Not two, not three, not four!" pep rally). And there wasn't nearly as much sports coverage of Jordan's every little move the way their is of James'. If those two hopped in a time machine and took each others' place in their respective eras, James wouldn't look so bad and Jordan wouldn't look so good. It took Jordan seven years to win his first ring, and it's taken LeBron the same amount of time, yet the media never mounted the same amount of pressure on MJ because there just wasn't as much media  to breath down MJ's neck back then.

And let me ask you this: do you know who Booby Gibson, Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshell, Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Drew Gooden are? If you're not a hardcore b-ball fan, probably not.  Outside of a couple of All-Star appearances from Ilgauskas in a crappy Eastern conference and Defensive 1st Team from Hughes, they're a bunch of scrubs that had no business ever making an NBA finals. But guess who carried them there on his back? Yeah, it was probably the worst team to ever make an NBA Finals (I'm still trying to decide between them and Iverson's '01 Sixers), but that says a lot about just how much that Cavs team was LBJ and no one else.


Yes I know every one of those players actually.  No his Cleveland team was not that great.  Jordan was carrying his team for years as well.  in fact his 3rd year he was averaging 37 ppg. 

YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
 84-85 CHI   82 82 38.3 .515 .173 .845 2.0 4.5 6.5 5.9 2.39 .84 3.55 3.50 28.2
 85-86 CHI   18 7 25.1 .457 .167 .840 1.3 2.3 3.6 2.9 2.06 1.17 2.50 2.60 22.7
 86-87 CHI   82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.0 3.2 5.2 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.90 37.1
 87-88 CHI   82 82 40.4 .535 .132 .841 1.7 3.8 5.5 5.9 3.16 1.60 3.07 3.30 35.0
 88-89 CHI   81 81 40.2 .538 .276 .850 1.8 6.2 8.0 8.0 2.89 .80 3.58 3.00 32.5
 89-90 CHI   82 82 39.0 .526 .376 .848 1.7 5.1 6.9 6.3 2.77 .66 3.01 2.90 33.6
 90-91 CHI   82 82 37.0 .539 .312 .851 1.4 4.6 6.0 5.5 2.72 1.01 2.46 2.80 31.5
 91-92 CHI   80 80 38.8 .519 .270 .832 1.1 5.3 6.4 6.1 2.28 .94 2.50 2.50 30.1
 92-93 CHI   78 78 39.3 .495 .352 .837 1.7 5.0 6.7 5.5 2.83 .78 2.65 2.40 32.6
 94-95 CHI   17 17 39.3 .411 .500 .801 1.5 5.4 6.9 5.3 1.76 .76 2.06 2.80 26.9
 95-96 CHI   82 82 37.7 .495 .427 .834 1.8 4.8 6.6 4.3 2.20 .51 2.40 2.40 30.4
 96-97 CHI   82 82 37.9 .486 .374 .833 1.4 4.5 5.9 4.3 1.71 .54 2.02 1.90 29.6
 97-98 CHI   82 82 38.8 .465 .238 .784 1.6 4.2 5.8 3.5 1.72 .55 2.26 1.80 28.7
 01-02 WAS   60 53 34.9 .416 .189 .790 .8 4.8 5.7 5.2 1.42 .43 2.70 2.00 22.9
 02-03 WAS   82 67 37.0 .445 .291 .821 .9 5.2 6.1 3.8 1.50 .48 2.11 2.10 20.0
 Career   1072 1039 38.3 .497 .327 .835 1.6 4.7 6.2 5.3 2.35 .80 2.73 2.60 30.1
 Playoff   179 179 41.8 .487 .332 .828 1.7 4.7 6.4 5.7 2.10 .88 3.05 3.00 33.4
 All-Star   13 13 29.4 .472 .273 .750 1.7 3.0 4.7 4.2 2.85 .46 3.23 2.40 20.2
   














 

Not to meantion his post-season has always been phenominal.

Year Team G Min Pts PPG ORB DRB TRB RPG AST APG STL BLK TO
1984-85 CHI 4 171 117 29.3 7 16 23 5.8 34 8.5 11 4 15
1985-86 CHI 3 135 131 43.7 5 14 19 6.3 17 5.7 7 4 14
1986-87 CHI 3 128 107 35.7 7 14 21 7.0 18 6.0 6 7 8
1987-88 CHI 10 427 363 36.3 23 48 71 7.1 47 4.7 24 11 39
1988-89 CHI 17 718 591 34.8 26 93 119 7.0 130 7.6 42 13 68
1989-90 CHI 16 674 587 36.7 24 91 115 7.2 109 6.8 45 14 56
1990-91 CHI 17 689 529 31.1 18 90 108 6.4 142 8.4 40 23 43
1991-92 CHI 22 920 759 34.5 37 100 137 6.2 127 5.8 44 16 81
1992-93 CHI 19 783 666 35.1 32 96 128 6.7 114 6.0 39 17 45
1993-94 - retired
1994-95 CHI 10 420 315 31.5 20 45 65 6.5 45 4.5 23 14 41
1995-96 CHI 18 733 552 30.7 31 58 89 4.9 74 4.1 33 6 42
1996-97 CHI 19 804 590 31.1 42 108 150 7.9 91 4.8 30 17 49
1997-98 CHI 21 872 680 32.4 33 74 107 5.1 74 3.5 32 12 45

You can put that side by side with James and you will see what I am saying.  Michael's will to win and the fire that drove him is what seperates him from James.  And yes Michael is far superior outside the paint compared to James which is still his weakest asset.  The good thing about James is that he is an all around player but until he develops an efficient outside game he will continue to stuggle in the post-season.  He has improved this year but he needs to push it up a notch.

People forget many things in the past. offensive and defensively  Michael took control completely.




       

Scisca on 20 June 2013

Comparing LBJ to MJ is just wrong. I've read this some time ago on nba.com:

Lebron’s finals average – 22.5 PPG, MJ’s single lowest scoring finals game – 22 points. Lebron has yet to have one finals that comes close to any of MJ’s first 3, putting up 32/11.4 against LA and 41 ppg w 8.5 boards against Barkley (!!). MJ won the scoring title every season but rookie (not including wizards) – 10 times. Lebron? 1 time and has yet to be the best scorer in one finals. MJ is 6/6 w 6 fmvp’s finals. MJ averaged 32/8/8 the one year he was point guard, closer to a triple double than Lebron ever was. MJ won scoring title and DPOY in the same year. 3rd all time in steals, 6th all-time guard in rebounds (biggest misconception ever is that LBJ is a better rebounder when he plays forward and MJ guard!).

 

LBJ is incredible, best right now, but this puts whatever he makes into perspective - we shouldn't even be comparing him to MJ, cause... Damn, that MJ was a beast! To tell the truth, LBJ has to really step up his game to ever be considered a top5 player, let alone to be compared to the greatest ever.



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RVDondaPC on 20 June 2013

The difference between Lebron and Jordan is if you left Jordan open like that he has the confidence to knock it down every time. Lebron gets space and he thinks about last time he played the Spurs in the championship when he was not a good outside shooter and they left him open. Lebron in rythm is a good three point shooter. He needs to act like it. Confidence is everything.



g911turbo on 20 June 2013

Well, coming from a Clevelander who had his heart ripped out by Lebron, you HAVE to admit he came up clutch in game 6 and especially 7. The guy is by far the best player in the league. By the time his career is done who knows, but at this pace he is going to be top 5 of all time.



Chris Hu on 21 June 2013

Great game by James he is already the best small forward of all time in my book.



tuscaniman99 on 21 June 2013

Ginobili sucks



Chris Hu on 21 June 2013
tuscaniman99 said:
Ginobili sucks


Danny Green tanking in the last two games was a much bigger problem.