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Goatseye said:

You're just arguing for the sake of it uh?

Tell me which fighting game was more successful than KI upon transition from Arcade to Consoles. I'm talking about the same game, not sequel that had ridden the arcade success wave.

Buy any MK collection and you see if you'll find MK1. What do people talk about when it comes to MK nostalgia? Mk2 and Mk3.

Transiction? You said KI have a massive Arcade success... and a lot of games have more successul transiction from Arcade to Consoles... MK, KoF, Tekken, Soul Calibur, etc.

About MK (the first one) from wiki...

"Electronic Gaming Monthly awarded Mortal Kombat the title of "Most Controversial Game of 1993".[33] In 1995, the Daily News wrote, "the original Mortal Kombat video game debuted in 1992. Its combination of story line, character and mega-violence soon made it a hit worldwide. And the controversy engendered by its blood-gushing special effects only served to boost its popularity."[34] In 2007, CraveOnline ranked it second of the top ten 2D fighters of all time.[35] In 2008, Forbes called Mortal Kombat one of the "most loved arcade games" that was "king of the arcade" in its day, writing that the arcade machines of the original title go from a few hundred dollars to $2,500.[36] In 2011, Complex ranked the first Mortal Kombat as the 12th best fighting game of all time,[37] while Wirtualna Polska ranked it as the 19th best Amiga game.[38] In 2012, Time named it one of the 100 greatest video games of all time."

The first MK what the put MK on the map... MK II is the best one... you are making confusion.

MK was heavly hit worldwide to be compared with SF... KI never did that. 



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ethomaz said:

Transiction? You said KI have a massive Arcade success... and a lot of games have more successul transiction from Arcade to Consoles... MK, KoF, Tekken, Soul Calibur, etc.

About MK (the first one) from wiki...

"Electronic Gaming Monthly awarded Mortal Kombat the title of "Most Controversial Game of 1993".[33] In 1995, the Daily News wrote, "the original Mortal Kombat video game debuted in 1992. Its combination of story line, character and mega-violence soon made it a hit worldwide. And the controversy engendered by its blood-gushing special effects only served to boost its popularity."[34] In 2007, CraveOnline ranked it second of the top ten 2D fighters of all time.[35] In 2008, Forbes called Mortal Kombat one of the "most loved arcade games" that was "king of the arcade" in its day, writing that the arcade machines of the original title go from a few hundred dollars to $2,500.[36] In 2011, Complex ranked the first Mortal Kombat as the 12th best fighting game of all time,[37] while Wirtualna Polska ranked it as the 19th best Amiga game.[38] In 2012, Time named it one of the 100 greatest video games of all time."

The first MK what the put MK on the map... MK II is the best one... you are making confusion.

MK was heavly hit worldwide to be compared with SF... KI never did that. 

Reception

Upon its release on the SNES, VideoGames reviewer Tyrone Rodriguez gave the game a score of 8 (Great), stating his preference of it over Mortal Kombat 3 (the other editors' additional scores being 8-6-6).[8] Computer and Video Games gave the game a 93%, adding: "Rare weren't lying when they said the home version would play better than the coin-op: no-one realised they were talking about the SNES!"[9]

Retrospectively, Killer Instinct was ranked as the 148th best game made on any Nintendo system by Nintendo Power in 2006[10] and as the 19th best SNES game of all time by ScrewAttack in 2008.[11] In 2007, CraveOnline users ranked it as the sixth top 2D fighter of all time, the staff calling it "the bastard child of Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat."[12] In 2008, ScrewAttack listed it as the fifth best fighting game of all time.[13] That same year, GamePro ranked it as the 18th best fighting game.[14] Virgin Media ranked it as the eighth top beat 'em-up of all time in 2009, adding that Killer Instinct was "most famous for having the longest combos in the business."[15] In 2010, it was ranked as the 10th top fighting game of all time by UGO.[16]

Have a little rea my friend.



Zero999 said:
Michael-5 said:

Killer Instinct is a free download?

This doesn't sound like a game, but a demo.....MS could do so much more with Rare, looks like one of my biggest reasons to own a One just went out the window...

it's not even developed by rare.

Yea I know, Double Helix, but I really wanted to see one of Rares IP's get good representation on a MS console. So far, all we got was a good Conker Remake (Live and Reloaded), and that's about it.



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To the peeps squabbleing....

Mortal Kombat was a controversial game because it showed blood on the Genesis version, and no blood on the SNES version. It was a really popular game in the arcade (to my memory), and a modestly popular game on consoles. Killer Instinct was just as big on arcades (to my memory) if not bigger, but as a console game it was a lot more talked about.

If VGC numbers put KI above MK, I believe it. Post 16-bit though, both franchises kinda fell apart. Street Fighter and Marvel vs. Capcom (and others) managed to hold popularity until their reboot this gen, but MK is a dying franchise, and Killer Instinct is basically already dead....The XBone game is a free download, not a full retail game. This could be to test the market, to see if they really want a new Killer Instinct, but still....sad.

 

SF is still the big 2D fighter franchise.



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Michael-5 said:

To the peeps squabbleing....

Mortal Kombat was a controversial game because it showed blood on the Genesis version, and no blood on the SNES version. It was a really popular game in the arcade (to my memory), and a modestly popular game on consoles. Killer Instinct was just as big on arcades (to my memory) if not bigger, but as a console game it was a lot more talked about.

If VGC numbers put KI above MK, I believe it. Post 16-bit though, both franchises kinda fell apart. Street Fighter and Marvel vs. Capcom (and others) managed to hold popularity until their reboot this gen, but MK is a dying franchise, and Killer Instinct is basically already dead....The XBone game is a free download, not a full retail game. This could be to test the market, to see if they really want a new Killer Instinct, but still....sad.

 

SF is still the big 2D fighter franchise.

VGC didn't have old MK sales.



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I don't get why we still arguing over console power. Everything we need to know is already known. There is no need for speculation anymore.



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ethomaz said:

Netyaroze said:

1 gflop old architecture =/= 1gflop new architecture

 

you cant compare that so easily. 240 Xbox gflop are not as capable as 200 GCN gflop on either ps4 or xbone.Because of efficent design you can put more of the raw compute power to better use than in 8 year old architecture. Achieving the same with less or more with the same.

Wrogn.FLOPS are FLOPS.

The difference in architecture is how much it is efficient to use these FLOPS... I mean any in architecture in the best case scenario can use 100% of the FLOPS but there is no best case scenario. In real games a old architecture uses less of these FLOPS at the same due limitations (specifics processs can't be made in parallel, etc) and a new architecture can use more these FLOPS at the same  (the process that can't be made in parallel now is possible).

That's the difference in architecture... efficient in the use of FLOPS.

But FLOPS are FLOPS... FLOPS = FLoating-point Operations Per Second... it is like Km/h is Km/h and there is no way to be diffrence between cars but a new can can reach the top speed more easly than a old one (or not... there are bad new architecture like P3 to P4) ... and that will never end.


Thats what I am trying to say FLOPS are FLOPS just like HP is HP but if you dont get the power on the street because your tires and transmission suck its worthless. 

What good is it to compare 240 gflops from 2005 and say 1.8tflop/240gflop = 7.5 or 1.2tflop/240gflops = 5 if the flops themselfs are not equivalent to each other.

There are problems which can easily be solved 10+ times as fast on the GCN architecture. Its just not comparable at all. The RSX had 400 gflops theoretically. Its totally pointless to compare the floating point operateration performance between architectures that are several generations apart. The theoretical peaks of those old architectures are just that, very theoretical... Nvidia vs AMD gflop comparissons are not as bad as this, the difference between the real world performance of 2005 gpus and 2013 gpus is much higher flop for flop. If km/h are km/h how come a 1.3TFlop Nvidia GPU (GTX480) creams a 2.7 tflop AMD GPU (5870) in everything ? How come a 2013 HD 7870 GHZ with 2.5 tflop just a mere 2 generations younger utterly destroys a HD 5870 in everything ?  

You just dont know how they achieved that gflop number its totally pointless to compare a 7 year old AMD GPU to a AMD GPU from today. 

 

I dont see what informational value you get by doing those calculations. Other than saying PS4 is more XBox360s taped together than a XBone its pretty much pointless.

Its fun but everyone should be aware that all of this is a pointless exercise. You could just as easily compare the transistor length between the 360 and the PS4/XB1 and still not get any information of value out of it.

 

If you can tell me what it means that XB1 is 3-5 360s gflop I am curious to hear what exactly anyone can do with this knowledge. Does it mean better graphics. Does it mean that it runs code 3-5 times faster or that it can display 3-5 times more polygons or that it can actually perform just 3-5 times the floating point operations of a 360 GPU in a game ? Its just nonsensical information...

 

I should add FLOPS are not a SI unit and not a standardized unit, everyone can come up with a unique way to achieve that flop number and get varying results depending on the test.



X360 * 2.5 = WiiU * 5 = Xbone * 1.5 = PS4

That's pretty much how I see it based on all the various specs. Of course if Xbone is downclocked... it might change a little.

In the end I don't think it will matter.

WiiU may get ignored just for being Nintendo and/or lack of DRM.
PS4/XB1 will have essentially identical 3rd party and that's over 90% of their games anyone cares about. WiiU's 3rd party ports will be close enough to not matter as well. Same game lower res/AA/etc.



ethomaz said:
Michael-5 said:

To the peeps squabbleing....

Mortal Kombat was a controversial game because it showed blood on the Genesis version, and no blood on the SNES version. It was a really popular game in the arcade (to my memory), and a modestly popular game on consoles. Killer Instinct was just as big on arcades (to my memory) if not bigger, but as a console game it was a lot more talked about.

If VGC numbers put KI above MK, I believe it. Post 16-bit though, both franchises kinda fell apart. Street Fighter and Marvel vs. Capcom (and others) managed to hold popularity until their reboot this gen, but MK is a dying franchise, and Killer Instinct is basically already dead....The XBone game is a free download, not a full retail game. This could be to test the market, to see if they really want a new Killer Instinct, but still....sad.

 

SF is still the big 2D fighter franchise.

VGC didn't have old MK sales.

Like the other guy said, 2 was bigger. MK2 was the game that made MK.

Just like Street Fighter, SF2 was THE Street Fighter, the big one.

Still MK is a bigger franchise then Killer Instinct because KI is only 1 game, and a kind of remake for N64. MK has around a dozen different games.



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superchunk said:
X360 * 2.5 = WiiU * 5 = Xbone * 1.5 = PS4

That's pretty much how I see it based on all the various specs. Of course if Xbone is downclocked... it might change a little.

In the end I don't think it will matter.

WiiU may get ignored just for being Nintendo and/or lack of DRM.
PS4/XB1 will have essentially identical 3rd party and that's over 90% of their games anyone cares about. WiiU's 3rd party ports will be close enough to not matter as well. Same game lower res/AA/etc.


XBone is about as powerful as PS4, and WiiU isn't that much more powerful then current gen consoles. Also PS4 is 9x more powerful then PS3, so if anything

X360 * 1.2 = PS3 * 1.4 = WiiU * 5.5 = XBOne * 1.15 = PS4.



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