1) Well Pemalite showed us it's about 10, and Microsoft have stated is't about 10x as well. Assuming PS4 is just as much more powerful over One as PS3 was to 360, then there is no reason to believe that PS4 will be any more then 10x as powerful as PS3.

I also still don't understand how the difference from XB1 to PS3 is only 10x, if you look at the RAW power the PS3 is closer to 14x the XB1's power. Still, PS2 was the primary system last gen, and it was half as powerful as the XB1. So effectively the jump from last gen to this was 20x (28x if I'm right about the gap between XB1 and PS3), there the jump this time is only 10x. Plus the last gen jump was over 4/5 years, where this gen is over 7/8, big difference, the jump this gen is not that much compared to before.

2) PS3 could outsell the Wii in the long run, and most game were made for the HD twins, not the Wii. I would argue that the PS360 was the standard this gen where PS2 was the standard last gen.

In all fairness we could average the power for the gen based off the number of consoles sold, but it wouldn't make a huge difference. The jump last gen was a lot bigger then the jump this gen.

4) I think it's more that people didn't read my comment, and went on a defensive immediatly. It's just the way a lot of people are on forums.

Anyway, PS3 was a bad console? How?

As for that original comparision, I've been told that I underballed the WiiU. Again, I can't used GFLOPs for a fair comparision, but WiiU has between 350-500GFLOPS, so it's anything from 2-3x as powerful as the PS3, but a 5th to a 3rd as weak as the PS4. WiiU is still closer to PS3/360 then PS4/One, but the gap between graphics is smaller then it was for Wii-PS360.

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Anyway, in the end WiiU, PS4, One all play games in 1080p, 60FPS, so we're finally entering the true HD era. I'm going to enjoy games on all fronts, and not argue pointless arguements with people who just don't matter.

Anyway, PS3 was a bad console? How?

As for that original comparision, I've been told that I underballed the WiiU. Again, I can't used GFLOPs for a fair comparision, but WiiU has between 350-500GFLOPS, so it's anything from 2-3x as powerful as the PS3, but a 5th to a 3rd as weak as the PS4. WiiU is still closer to PS3/360 then PS4/One, but the gap between graphics is smaller then it was for Wii-PS360.

I adressed the PS4 with a response to someone else, and LOL you Wii U people just won't get your heads out of the sand will you?  The Wii U has NO GAME that looks better than Killzone 2 or even BF3.  At best it will look slightly better but it will b e hardly noticable.  

@bold Too expensive and too over-engineered for its own good - it cost them a LOT of money, and a LOT of PS2 user base due to price.

As for WiiU - its GPU is VLIW5 architecture, very similar to 360 (most likely even with the same number of TMUs and ROPs, though I think TMU number is 32 vs 16 in 360), and if it has 320 shaders (which is most likely), than it might be some 70-80% faster than PS360 - if not, and it's 160 shader part (which I doubt), it might be some 20-30% faster.

Contrary to what some people here living in Phantasy Kindom believe, you can't cram some mysterious super-tech on 40nm fab into such a small chip with pretty low TDP and expect it to have some incredible performance. So, unfortunately, (unfortunately cause few years ago I was really hoping for 4850-4870 level performance from WiiU), PS4's GPU  is more in the area of 7-8x of WiiU's...and please don't make same mistake as before and compare their FLOPS numbers, they are completely useless ;) 

If you're really interested, search for 4650/5550 GDDR3 benchmarks and compare them to 7850/7870 to get the picture what I'm talking about.

Not to mention it doesn't matter how strong the GPU is since the system only has 1GB of ram and no standard storage to install textures on.  Essentially it is already bottlenecked by these two things to the point that it will be impossible to surpass the current visuals in any meaningful way...

No, wii u doesn't have between 350-500 GFLOPS. that number is purely speculative and based on almost nothing. and as you said, wii u is running games more graphically intensive than ps360 AND at 1080p 60 fps so it's hard to imagine it's gpu is only 350-500 GFLOPS. If i were to guess  I'd say the number of GFLOPS is between 600-750.

Your views are quite misguided.

Maybe, I mean every Wii U exclusive is in 1080p, so there is some sort of a jump.

LOL, thats what I said, but he just lives in his own world.

Pretty much everyone agrees WiiU games look better then PS360, and PS4 is about 10x as powerful as the PS3 (based off math), but....ahh

Head Bashing doesn't suffice.

Better than Gears of War: Judgemnt, God of War: Ascension, The Last of Us and Halo 4?

It *only* has 2x the usable RAM (which may well be expanded in the future).

Plus a huge chunk of the silicon remains utterly unmapped.

Ignoring the developers who have said it is sizably stronger.

Better than Gears of War: Judgemnt, God of War: Ascension, The Last of Us and Halo 4?