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Goddbless on 17 June 2013
disolitude said:

There really is no point of me posting in this thread and continuing to argue as I'm seeing very little room for debate with the community. Its clear that my point of view is a huge minority around here and that's fine. Ima go play some Last of Us and everyone can rest knowing that Sony still as the golden ticket to gaming happiness.

Cheers to ethomaz, badgenome and others who posted reasonable posts and presented a different point of view coherently and didn't resort to personal insults.


I share your point of view but I fear it is a minority and that won't change until well after launch when the features can actually be shown.



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chapset on 17 June 2013
disolitude said:
ethomaz said:
And every title in PS4 will be available day one for digital and retail.

Sony give you choice.

That's fine. Choice is good...But are you are telling me that they are going to match Microsoft with a digital ecosystem as well as keep retail disk based gaming alive and take care of every man, woman and child and leave no one behind. All this while keeping the same or better user experience?

And that I won't have a situation like I did last night where I bought the Last of Us on PSN and it took 30 minutes to download and 7 HOURS to install?

But yeah, slow disk loading retail games will still be there...thats a plus right?

The PS4 install games in the background while you are playing them, the PS4 blueray player is a lot faster than the one on the Ps3. The Cpu is faster also and there is more ram so all loading will be faster too :D see the PS4 ain't so bad



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chapset on 17 June 2013
disolitude said:
qmoney88 said:
disolitude said:
badgenome said:
If the past week is anything to go by it looks like that trail MS is blazing leads right out of the console business.

I disagree... When Apple, Android devices and Microsoft ecosystems are running the digital gaming landscape 5 years from now and Sony is yelling "hey guys, we do digital too if you'd like"...we will see who made the right bet.

 


Accept Sony does do digital... Are you serious right now?  Sony gives their consumers options, Microsoft is taking them away.  The only way microsofts approach will be successful and permeate the entire industry is if we allow it to, by supporting this bullshit.  I would absolutely love for nothing more than for Microsoft to backpedal a bit and at least drop this drm bullshit so that I can feel good about owning every system, but as it stands, I simply refuse to support this movement.  Sony and ninty all the way.

You just don't understand what a sound digital ecosystem is if you think that you can be half digital and half not. Xbox 360 and PS3 did "digital"...its the current staus quo.

You people are just not seeing the benefits of going digital and are jsut focusing on DRM and olways on as huge drawbacks. I refuse to believe that the people who use the internet can't see the benefits of a digital gaming library.

For example, how is Sony going to allow you to digitally share disk based games with friends and both play them in seperate households? You have to currier the disk back and forth...That sucks.

The Infrastructure is not even there yet for most part of the US and Canada to provide fast Internet and no data cap so we can go digital only, Only some small European countries and countries like south korea have fast enough Internet for that and we don't even know when the X1 will launch in those countries



Bet reminder: I bet with Tboned51 that Splatoon won't reach the 1 million shipped mark by the end of 2015. I win if he loses and I lose if I lost.

disolitude on 17 June 2013
Tyto_alba said:
disolitude said:

There really is no point of me posting in this thread and continuing to argue as I'm seeing very little room for debate with the community. Its clear that my point of view is a huge minority around here and that's fine. Ima go play some Last of Us and everyone can rest knowing that Sony still as the golden ticket to gaming happiness.

Cheers to ethomaz, badgenome and others who posted reasonable posts and presented a different point of view coherently and didn't resort to personal insults.


I really think you started an argument without having full knowledge of the topic. This was especially true when you brought the "slow loading discs and slow download of games and slow instalation" in the PS3 as is they were gonna be true for the PS4. I think the problem is not that you are a minority, it is that your arguments weren't strong enough.

That said, I think that personal insults, name calling, images trying to ridicule were wrong.

The slow loading and install times were an example of something PS3 dropped the ball on. I knew that PS4 would not function in this manner but I was just pointing out a few things that fell through the cracks last time around.  When you dont have a vision where the console will be 5 years down the road you tend to have issues like that as you cant patch everything in as you go.

Anyone that thinks PS3 today would be where its at in terms of features without Xbox and Xbox 360 around to tell it what features to add next needs a reality check. I remember my PS3 in 2007...Back then Mortal Kombat 2 on PSN did not have friends online matchmaking option at all. Still doesnt probably... This "we will offer little bit of everything" approach for Sony always sounds like a dream on paper but tends to have more holes than swiss cheese in reality.

What no one around here is talking about is Sony DRM for digital dowloads. According to their latest executive statements their position is..."We're not talking about any sort of digital trading or loaning policies right now." - Scott Rohde, senior Sony Playstation VP

While I personally dont care as I dont see myself trading, or reselling used games next gen... to me this is a significantly worse digital policy implementation than Xbox One. Tying digital dowloads to the actual hardware is very 1999 if you ask me...God forbid you install the game twice on different consoles and both die, not letting you deactivate. Or you visit a friend and want to play a game he doesnt have and youve bought and installed digitally but have already done it twice.

If there was only some way using internet to allow you to check in with Sony and play this game with your user ID while at your friends place regardless of how many times youve installed the game already...I guess that technology will come next gen.



tuscaniman99 on 17 June 2013

Sony has sold 340 million consoles and no profit to show for it...



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disolitude on 17 June 2013
chapset said:
disolitude said:
qmoney88 said:
disolitude said:
badgenome said:
If the past week is anything to go by it looks like that trail MS is blazing leads right out of the console business.

I disagree... When Apple, Android devices and Microsoft ecosystems are running the digital gaming landscape 5 years from now and Sony is yelling "hey guys, we do digital too if you'd like"...we will see who made the right bet.

 


Accept Sony does do digital... Are you serious right now?  Sony gives their consumers options, Microsoft is taking them away.  The only way microsofts approach will be successful and permeate the entire industry is if we allow it to, by supporting this bullshit.  I would absolutely love for nothing more than for Microsoft to backpedal a bit and at least drop this drm bullshit so that I can feel good about owning every system, but as it stands, I simply refuse to support this movement.  Sony and ninty all the way.

You just don't understand what a sound digital ecosystem is if you think that you can be half digital and half not. Xbox 360 and PS3 did "digital"...its the current staus quo.

You people are just not seeing the benefits of going digital and are jsut focusing on DRM and olways on as huge drawbacks. I refuse to believe that the people who use the internet can't see the benefits of a digital gaming library.

For example, how is Sony going to allow you to digitally share disk based games with friends and both play them in seperate households? You have to currier the disk back and forth...That sucks.

The Infrastructure is not even there yet for most part of the US and Canada to provide fast Internet and no data cap so we can go digital only, Only some small European countries and countries like south korea have fast enough Internet for that and we don't even know when the X1 will launch in those countries


Come on dude. Dont know about US but Canada has internet widely available to the majority of the population. Internet caps are going up and there are many providers with unlimited internet...

Im not saying that there wont be people who dont have internet that would like to play next gen games, but why are we as an internet community up and arms about that? The odds are that 95% of people here bashing Xbox one always on have perfectly capable internet to complete check in once every 24 hours and enjoy digital gaming for many years to come.



snakehead43 on 17 June 2013

ps4 is much better then the xbox 360



mutantclown on 17 June 2013
RolStoppable said:
Emulating the 360 is still a better decision than Microsoft emulating the PS3 (media box for $500 that has a value of thousands of dollars).


Lol, you always find a way you shut them up. 



Anari on 17 June 2013
Heavenly Sigma said:
Well winning 2 generation in a row and being second for the third isn't all bad is it? What has Microsoft gotten? 2 and 3 and a guaranteed bad start for the next gen.


Let's not pretend MS hasn't gained alot this gen (last gen?). I'd go as far as to say they did better than Sony this gen/last gen. 2nd place or not.

But yeah, they may have blown all that away with their shitty $499 pricing.



green_sky on 17 June 2013
tuscaniman99 said:
Sony has sold 340 million consoles and no profit to show for it...

Now now. Let's not get into the whole profit thing. Only company that is concerned with business side of things is Nintendo. We buy XBOX and Playstation because Sony and Microsoft subsidize our gaming. 

OT: I don't have much new to add to this as others have already said more than that needed to be said. Let's just wait and see how it plays out when the consoles launch and play some games in the meantime. I hope MS sticks to their guts and doesn't chicken out of what they proposed. At least we applaud them for having balls to go with something like this.