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kingofwale said:
>Why do games produced by mediocre developers get hyped when the only thing we know about the game is it has pretty graphics?


Why ask such obvious question?

Let me list 3 of the probably a million reasons.

1. It's MUCH easier to advertise an item if it looks pretty, Same reason you see pretty people in commercials, you don't see butt-ugly freaks on tv as often as you do in real life. no? Deep down, we are all shallow.

2. expectation, it's thought that people that if a developer has the time and money to work on graphics, then they probably have the time and money to work on the gameplay

3.. play the ratio game, Most good looking games do indeed have good gameplay mechanics (sure, there are odd ones, like Lair), and you compare that with bad games with crappy graphics.

You will see that it's not hard to associate bad graphics with bad games.
If you eliminate the games produced by game developers with a history if high quality videogames, you will see that there is no correlation between good graphics and good gameplay; it is (amazingly) common to see average or worse developers spend massive ammounts of money to produce very pretty games only to have them reviewed poorly. Simply look at the PS3's line-up and you will see that games like Genji, Lair, Clive Barkers Jerico, and Enchanted Arms all had very nice graphics, and huge budgets, and yet there was little focus on making a good game. Many/most of these games were heavily hyped before they were released ...


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twesterm said:
HappySqurriel said:
kingofwale said:
>“hard-core” gamer who is (often) more impressed by shiny graphics than solid game play.

WORST misconception ever, that "hard-core" gamers don't care about gameplay. No idea where it comes from, it's just stupid everytime I hear it.

does Portal lack gameplay? How about Assassin Creed? Or Bio Shock? Halo 3? Uncharted?

Did I say they didn't care about gameplay? No, I said they were (oftem) more impressed by shiny graphics than solid game play.

Why do games produced by mediocre developers get hyped when the only thing we know about the game is it has pretty graphics?


I would say the hard core gamer is more impressed by gameplay and the average joe gamer is easily swayed by hype and shiny graphics.

and what prevents the average joe gamer to pretend as a "hardcore" gamer?

 



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>and what prevents the average joe gamer to pretend as a "hardcore" gamer?


when Hardcore gamers buy games like Shadow, Ico, Okami, No more Heroes and Zak&Wiki?

as well as good games with pretty graphics and huge production.



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I've seen this happen... well, practically every generation. Back in the day, the SNES got a lot of flak for coming out late and was said to have no chance of stealing the market back from the Genesis since Sega had gotten so much of the third-party support that the NES had previously held. The PS1 was said to be too gimmicky, yet another jaded corporate cash-in attempt like the CD-i, and had no chance to steal the limelight from Nintendo. The PS2 was predicted to be an instant failure since the DreamCast had the lead and since the PS2 wasn't as powerful as promised. They were all wrong, of course.

Naysayers and disbelievers of success. They've always been around, they'll never really go away. I guess they just want to be there on the off chance that something downright near-impossible happens and the unlikely scenario they're proposing happens.



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I don't think Kotaku itself is biased, even their comments are pretty balanced. They like to poke fun at everybody with teasing/sarcastic jabs.



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@prlatino86

You say that there is a perceived notion that Nintendo is leaning away from its hardcore fans, however that notion, while sometimes propogated by Nintendo, is fueled by the game sites, when evidence that it's simply not true, exists with every single first party Wii game. Honestly, when has nintendo ever put out a more hardcore series of franchises so quickly, then it has this generation? Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Brawl, Kart? Not to mention upcoming Kirby games. Nintendo hasn't stopped supporting the hardcore, it has just increased supporting the casuals and that is why it's hated.



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twesterm said:
 

  1. Just because you like Jaffe doesn't mean you hate Nintendo, it just means you acknowledge Jaffe is a character and people like him for whatever reason. He speaks his mouth and when he speaks funny stuff comes out. I think Jaffe is a funny guy, does that mean I hate Nintendo?
  2. So they are critical of everybody?
  3. Oh, so since they're reporting on gaming news they're biased? I'd be more worried if they pick and choose their stories rather than report on everything.
  4. I'm sorry, but if you can't see how ridiculous those patents are, then you're crazy. I'm sure they could be made into something cool, but that doesn't change the fact they're funny and deserve to laughed at.
  5. So since someone doesn't like Wii Fit they hate Nintendo? I don't like Halo, does that mean I hate the 360?
  6. I think you took that story too seriously. Are you telling me that you wouldn't be annoyed when you have a game you've been waiting for a long time that had the promise of true online play and you couldn't take advantage of it? If you actually look through the site, you'll notice they actually do a lot of praising of SSBB too, how can that be if they're anti Nintendo?
  7. Once again, link please. I would love to see the context rather than you explaining it.
  8. Um, as far as I remember they loved Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess. Also, it's a good thing when a news source doesn't just go with the flow and actually say what they think.
  9. No, that's just their community. Is VGChartz pro Wii or is its community pro Wii?

I think your biggest problem is that you take any attack on Nintendo way too personally. For some odd reason you think that since they like Jaffe or because they mock funny patents that they are for some reason biased. Furthermore, you think that since they comment on gaming news, they're even more biased.

Please let me just set this straight: all that doesn't mean they're biased.

If they chose to just highlight negative Wii stories and then positive, say, PS3 stories. That would be biased.

Oh, and nice research. According to you Kotaku would be the following:

Pro Wii Biased:
Right Now Bashcraft Doesn't Hate Wii Fit
Rock Band confirmed for Wii and European Launch (it focuses more on the Wii than the EU launch date, OMG Wii bias!)
Club Nintendo Zelda Statue is a False Idol (talks about the awesome statue and the insane amount of points it takes to get).
Does Super Smash Bros Brawl Actually Deliver? Yes, according to the article.
Super Smash Bros in the House Not much of an article but sure seems like he's excited. Why would he be excited for something he hates?
No More Heroes Could Have Rocked the 360's World Sure, it talks about how NMH could have went to the 360 but also goes on to compliment NMH.
Jaffe: Here's My Godddamn Wii Controller Bitches

Kotaku Nintendo bias confirmed.


I do tend to disagree with you. If feel the articles you linked are more admissions than praises. Except for Brawl. Some Kotaku editors are Brawl fanboys, no doubt.

 

Let me assure you, Jaffe is as much of a Sony fanboy as anyone can get. He can't help it. In turn, Nintendo is his mortal enemy. What's worse, he uses the excuse that he owns Nintendo products and plays them, in an attempt to seem unbiased, when he says their products are inferior to Sonys. It's terrible and deceptive, and its a good think that the internet community recognized this long ago, or we'd see a ton of "ZOMG developer Jaffe doesnt' like the Wii," instead of a nonsuprised smirk when we hear him insult Miyamoto for not liking violent racing games with machine guns, when in all likelyhood, Miyamoto doesn't know who the fuck David Jaffe is.

 

I've said, Kotaku is critical of everyone, sometimes, but are critical of the Wii consistantly.

 

It's not Kotaku's reporting that I have a problem with, it's their anti-Wii commentary in most of their articles.

 

Laughing at company patents is fair, balanced, and unafraid.

 

Not liking Wii Fit? I could care less. I don't particularly like it either. However, acting morally offended and flaming Nintendo with every commercial they release for the thing is a different story.

 

The Brawl online wasn't taken too seriously. It was biased journalism, insulting the Wii. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the term "proper online" or "proper console" by anti-Wii fanboys. It's their motto. The "Brawl doesnt' have proper online" is one of two things. Biased, or ignorant. Take your pick.

 

I don't feel like digging up the link on the Patcher story. It's about 5 pages in. I quoted what Kotaku said, that should be enough. I didn't make it up.

 

While one or two editors might have liked Mario Galaxy, apparently someone there wishes Miyamoto was working on something new and different.

 

VGchartz community is pro Wii, because the numbers on this site are pro Wii, therefore, Wii fanboys flock here. The comments on Kotaku are anti-Wii, therefore anti-Wii fanboys flock there.

 

 

Let me reitterate, this is my opinion. I can't prove them. However, while you attempt to retalliate to every one of my assertions, I can tell you this. Biased or not, Kotaku has many more stories degrading the Wii, than any other system, and many less stories praising the Wii, than any other system. As a Wii fan, I dread clicking any link that has anything to do with David Jaffe, the Wii, the DS, or sales, because I am almost certain to see anti-Wii biased in the article and in every comment on the whole page.

 

I can't prove fox news is pro republican either, but I thought that would be obvious.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Nintendo make casual games and hardcore games too, but they don´t make RPG, I like very much a reborn to Mario RPG Wii



MANUELF said:
Nintendo make casual games and hardcore games too, but they don´t make RPG, I like very much a reborn to Mario RPG Wii

Earthbound RPG ftw.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Dude zenfolder what are you trying to prove? And since when being critical mean bias? I'm critical of my brother does mean I'm biased against. It seems like your just complaining that someone said something that you disagreed with.

You also put 1up as unbiased. You realize that they think the Wii has the worst line up and for next year and half of them haven't played Zack and Wiki. I would explain myself better but my flight is taking off. Thanks for the laugh.



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