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DanneSandin on 11 June 2013
MANUELF said:
If by new you mean new ideas for games then they werent the only culprits, if you mean announced new games then I can count three new games getting announced (Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8 and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze) And no I dont count saying they have new 3d mario and mario kart as an announcement

Galaxy was a new idea. Skyward Sword was (kind of) a new idea. Super Mario 3D Land was a new idea.

What they showed here wasn't new ideas.



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happydolphin on 11 June 2013
gigantor21 said:

The problem isn't just that though. It's that they aren't even doing much to rock the boat for the IPs they are using. That was the main argument they had for leaning on Mario and Zelda all these years. They've done far more interesting things with 3D Mario games than 3D World, and already have plenty of other old IPs that Retro could've worked on. Instead, they're doing another Donkey Kong Country game.

How much better is that then doing a crapton of Halo and God of War games exactly?

How are you comparing to Halo and GoW? Nintendo has been doing this for years and years.

Though I agree that 3D Mario can get a whole makeover like it normally does, we know that it will. We know that a full-fledged 3D Mario adventure is in the works, how could anyone think otherwise? It's in Nintendo's DNA.

Think of 3D World like another NSMB of sorts, it's not much different from last gen.

In the Gamecube era, in year 2, what were all the new IPs Nintendo came out with, tell me? In the N64 years? Of course Rare came out with all kinds of new IPs but that was Rare. They're gone we are over it. Other than them, Nintendo didn't create so many revolutionary new IPs like people are begging for, they stuck with their bread and butter with the rare new IP here and there. Well, they are offering the wonderful 101, that follows in Nintendo fashion to have a rare amount of new IPs.

The Wii bloom was a series of new IPs, but that was part of market expansion, Nintendo now has that market and is no longer expanding, they are just refining, and it all fits in their DNA. Nothing wrong here.



chriscox1121 on 11 June 2013
F0X said:
Nintendo brought more to the table this E3 than the past two combined, so I don't wanna hear it.


although i do agree with OP on several points i also agree with this.




teigaga on 11 June 2013
happydolphin said:

Glass half full point of view. If instead you look at what they did present, you'd have a very different opinion.

The highlights for me:

Smash gameplay, with Megaman.

Mario Kart 8 looks awesome.

SM3DW IS new, it have so many unrecognizable features from the original. Coop, Yoshi as a boat, a cat costume which drastically alters Mario's movement. Man if this is not new... It all depends on what you want. If it's a new IP then sure you didn't get it. If you wanted a whole new world for Mario then sure you didn't get it but you know you will and that's all you need to know.

DKCR 2. Since when are sequels not new? What is it you want?

X. How is this more new than a sequel to Donkey Kong Country? They are different games in different genres, sequels mean different things in these genres.

Bayo 2, what's more new about X than this?

What about the Gamecube for example was so much more new in its second year than for U? Man you've been a Nintendo fan for this long, this is how they roll.

 


I think things are different because of how much money and resources nintendo have at the ready, people expecting them to put them to use. I stopped being a core Nintendo fan half way through the wii generation, I stopped wanting for them to fit my needs for a diverse portfolio and just went somewhere else. 



chriscox1121 on 11 June 2013

I think smash is amazing and by far my most wanted game




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DanneSandin on 11 June 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I understand your frustration, but it's not like Nintendo is the only one guilty of reusing a successful formula.

Look at the other games at E3: Forza 5, Assassin's Creed IV, Metal Gear Solid V, Dead Rising 3, etc. Even new IPs like Ryse and 1886 look derivative. It's rare that a groundbreaking, game-changing piece of software comes out. The last one might have been Wii Sports, and that was seven years ago.

Yes, there are a lot of rehashes out there, but that doesn't mean it's ok for Nintendo to do so as well. Nintendo ALWAYS brings something new. Not so this year.



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happydolphin on 11 June 2013
teigaga said:

I think things are different because of how much money and resources nintendo have at the ready, people expecting them to put them to use. I stopped being a core Nintendo fan half way through the wii generation, I stopped wanting for them to fit my needs for a diverse portfolio and just went somewhere else. 

And you did well because you really pulled it out of nowhere. Nintendo never really offered a diverse portfolio, they always stayed true to their traditions with the rare market expansions (NES, DS, Wii).



M.U.G.E.N on 11 June 2013
NintendoPie said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

ugh no. They get criticized for online pay and Vita handling. New IPS? Hell no

Let me list a few things for you

TLOU = a new IP from their most acclaimed studio. A story driven take on the zombie genre which is currently one of the highest rated games of all time. 

Knack = a new IP from a creator who has been part of franchises like Crash, Jak and many more in the past

Puppetteer = new IP and a very creative title from SCEJ

Rain = Same as above

The Order = A new IP in a steam punk london, in an alternative reality setting, from SSm and R@D

GGs = Yes they have a new KZ but as you can see it's a very different take than the past games. But ignore that for a moment. They also have one unannounced new IP. Word is that's a Gamescom reveal. Speculation is that it's an action WRPG

DriveClub = A team based/first person view focused new driving IP from Evolution. They are pretty big so don't be surprised if they have even more projects unannounced

Even games like Second Son. It's not playing it safe. Total new setting, character, a unique new power.

So No...new IPs are NOT something they should be criticized for. And I haven't even talked about second party stuff like Quantic Dreams unannounced new IP for the PS4

I don't think anyone who actually look at these things and say that with a straight face that Sony doesn't bring new IPs to the table that get people excited. 

I don't think I ever said Sony doesn't bring new IP's to the table... but okay.

Deal with the fact that every developer/publisher has one or more games that they constantly re-create. Sony isn't alone in this, Nintendo isn't alone in this, Microsoft isn't alone in this. It won't stop happening and no matter if Sony or whomever release a billion new IP's, they still re-create a franchise that they had already introduced. Is that a bad thing? Well, that's up to you to decide.

what the hell are you going on about. As usual your arguments are all over the place. Did you reply to me earlier without understanding the context? Nintendo is currently getting criticized to hell and back for not bringing more new IPs to the table. Some said the same can be said for others. I gave facts to show what that is not true. Outside of a few nintendo fans do you see gamers in general point the finger at sony and say hey sony why can't you give us new IPs? lol 

No need to run around the fact..it is what it is. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if ND's other team is NOT working on a new Uncharted. So in summary, issue is not recreating or revisiting same ideas or old Ips....it's the focus on not creating new experiences through new IPs. 

Heck I don't think you can say Ubisoft is in the same boat either. Every year they bring some new exciting new IPs to E3. Good on them 

 

@FOX: Yeah I think that indeed is a problem in a business pov as well. I think they understand it tho cuz Shuhei addressed it a while back in an interview. I think cutting down the number of teams they had and making the current ones bigger is one approach they are using. Number of games may decrease but the quality will likely increase too.

@milkyjoe: A new IP from a dev like ND is exciting. Laugh all you want but TLOU had more people excited than anything Nintendo showed today. For good reason too. ha indeed



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teigaga on 11 June 2013
chriscox1121 said:
F0X said:
Nintendo brought more to the table this E3 than the past two combined, so I don't wanna hear it.


although i do agree with OP on several points i also agree with this.

But over the last 2 E3s nintendo bought  Pikmin 3, Wii Fit U, Zombie U, New Super MArio Bros U and Nintendo Land. This is literally a summation of E3 2011+2012 combined. Its really not an achievement to beat that.



gigantor21 on 11 June 2013
happydolphin said:
gigantor21 said:

The problem isn't just that though. It's that they aren't even doing much to rock the boat for the IPs they are using. That was the main argument they had for leaning on Mario and Zelda all these years. They've done far more interesting things with 3D Mario games than 3D World, and already have plenty of other old IPs that Retro could've worked on. Instead, they're doing another Donkey Kong Country game.

How much better is that then doing a crapton of Halo and God of War games exactly?

How are you comparing to Halo and GoW? Nintendo has been doing this for years and years.

Though I agree that 3D Mario can get a whole makeover like it normally does, we know that it will. We know that a full-fledged 3D Mario adventure is in the works, how could anyone think otherwise? It's in Nintendo's DNA.

Think of 3D World like another NSMB of sorts, it's not much different from last gen.

In the Gamecube era, in year 2, what were all the new IPs Nintendo came out with, tell me? In the N64 years? Of course Rare came out with all kinds of new IPs but that was Rare. They're gone we are over it. Other than them, Nintendo didn't create so many revolutionary new IPs like people are begging for, they stuck with their bread and butter with the rare new IP here and there. Well, they are offering the wonderful 101, that follows in Nintendo fashion to have a rare amount of new IPs.

The Wii bloom was a series of new IPs, but that was part of market expansion, Nintendo now has that market and is no longer expanding, they are just refining, and it all fits in their DNA. Nothing wrong here.

I have a very hard time believing that they can get away with small refinements in a market where the Wii U is selling so shit. It's tracking behind the Gamecube here in the States as it is. I doubt having to compete with the Xone and PS4 on top of the last gen consoles is going to help matters.



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