sad part is a lot of people will eat this shit up, just like quite a few people did with Xbox Live. Paying for online is pure bull shit! I'm going with a Wii U and PC this gen. Maybe I'll buy a PS4 later on when they actually has exclusive games I'm interested in. But I'm not gonna pay for online. I'm paying my bill and that's enough for me.

As a multi console owner I would have to pay 2 subscriptions now, which sucks. Totally agree if you a system new they should throw in a year subscription, it'll be nice. I'm sure some have problems with it, looking at N4G (god knows why I still use that site) 99% of the people there just don't seem to care although they were poking fun at MS doing it earlier that day...

I am not okay with it. All these people who are calling hypocrites don't understand that there were people who were paying for PS+ already and nothing changed for them, but for people who didn't have PS+ it definitely changes things.

has anyone forget that it is not backwards compatible ?

If the new PS+ and requirement to pay for multi-player was as insultingly bad as XBL has been for the last few years when contrasted against PS+, that would be a deal breaker. So, if I was asked to pay for the right to access P2P online, and remove Netflix, Youtube, and web browser paywalls. yet still have ads plastered everywhere, I would have rejected it like I rejected the 360 version of XBLG. As it is, the new PS+ being required for online is not ideal, but hardly an issue at all.

Remind me why this is ok with some here all of a sudden? Im not paying subscription fees just to access the full potential of a purchased game. Online multiplayer is free on Wii, Wii U, PS3, Vita, 3DS and PC so what is the problem with PS4? Im not paying subscription fees when i will be the server on P2P games. I want to get a PS4 but this is nonsense. PS4 by itself will cost a hell of a lot more than $400 it seems.

Also there is no such thing as FREE GAMES on PS+. If you stop paying you cant play those games so they are not FREE and never were intended to be FREE. You pay for access to those games and i have no problem with people doing that if they choose but paying just to play online multiplayer makes no sense.

Yeah, they are very different. You get twelve games or something on PS3, and then there discounts, PS Vita games if you have a PS Vita, and on top of that PS4 games. It is not going to be called a rip-off by anyone, that is for sure.

Paying for Ps+ is not a big deal, specially if there´s additional content for free. The console has a reasonable price. The only letdown for me is the lack of backward compatibility.

Have agree; calling PSN+ a "rip-off" is pretty much ridiculous unless you are the rare, rare bird who is planning on buying a new console during the launch window, but only buy 2-4 games for it per year and only play it sporadically with weeks or months in between games/active console time. 

Between all the content a subscription gives its users access to, unless you play a huge amount of games per week and buy a lot of new release games, technically, one could play nothing but the games PSN+ gives without ever buying any games. It's actually a pretty crazy but viable budget gamer option.

The instant collection for the PSV for instance, was pretty ridiculous, seeing as how they gave away some of the best titles the platform has seen to date. 

Often times I did temporary subscriptions just for the discounts when there were enough promos being done through PSN+ and broke even. If you download a lot of stuff, that $50 subscription would break even after a few months at most. 

i think the title of this thread should be changed to:

"Sony welcomes XBOX Gamers to PS4 by providing a experience they are comfortable with"